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Why do the Chinese top players use H3??? |
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NextLevel
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You will get the same effect with any high grip/tack topsheet rubber. Try MX-S or Big Dipper. EvenTenergy 05. Racket speed is also critical here - the arc will be less with the new ball but you have to compensate with faster racket speed. As someone pointed out, this might be causing some players to have more injuries. With good contact on H3 with the harder sponges, it isn't so much the raw spin that is key, but the fact that you can continue to brush harder and harder with fairly thick contact and still get good spin. If you have that kind of power and hand speed and hit the ball that way ALL the time, it helps but if not, you will be struggling when you only have the energy to flick the ball with the wrist and need to generate real spin. That's why I avoid going beyond 38 deg DHS or 50 deg Euro - beyond that, I know I will be struggling too much when I am too tired to play and can only use my wrist.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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AndySmith
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You won't convince me by playing against me - this has nothing to do with you or how you play. If your argument is "I've used H3 commercial unboosted and it sucked, so the CNT's rubber must be totally different" then... If that commercial H3 is boosted to the same degree as ML's competition rubber, then you might have had a different experience. Or it could be how you hit the ball - H3 isn't for everyone. Doesn't matter really. Your personal experience is proof of your personal experience. I don't expect you (or anyone) to believe my idea about H3 being linked to the CNT's philosophy either. These are all just opinions. I'm just spelling out why your position seems particularly unconvincing in the grand sweep of unconvincing opinions.
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Actually, that is a property of heavy topspin balls, not tacky rubbers. When a rubber is grippy and slow, it creates a heavy topspin ball naturally as it naturally imparts more spin than speed for a given stroke. However, that means that a lot of the speed/power must come the stroke as opposed to the elasticity of the sponge/topsheet. So if you are a highly athletic ball bashing thick brush looper, tacky rubbers are for you (most CNT forehands). But people with shorter movements (most Euro forehands) aren't going to like them because of the demands for brushing and doing larger strokes fairly consistently. Again, this is not magic - it's simple logic.
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AndySmith
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I used to buy H3 provincial because it had better sheet-to-sheet QC and it needed slightly less breaking in. H3 commercial QC has improved a lot in the last 5 years and I don't feel it's necessary any more, and these days it's more of a case of "look at me with the sheet of provincial/blue sponge, aren't I clever?" Also, it's fine to say "just try it", but obtaining a reliable source of Provincial is hard, let alone National. Chances of a fake are high. Easy to say, hard to do in practice, and you're the one making claims. You back them up if being taken seriously matters to you. Otherwise there will always be healthy skepticism about this subject. FWIW I think you're probably right about national sheets and custom orders. What degree of difference does it make? Not enough to make it important to an amateur. Small percentages at the top end only. Boosting has a big impact on H3, but the pro stuff is probably just small tinkering in comparison. Important to the pros, but almost vanishingly inconsequential to amateurs. I find the mythology around national sheets silly and childish, and people get ripped off based on rumour and gossip. Better than commercial? Yes, probably. Worlds away from commercial? No.
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Roger Stillabower
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I buy H3 Nat. from AliExpress and Prov. blue sponge from TTnPP, yea they are probably fake and I ain't no pro just an old man that loves tt, but I hate H3 commercial rubbers.
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What do you suppose would happen if the CNT ran out of H3 Nat. at the WC or the WTC? Would they then be SOL or USCWP?
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What other rubber does this other than these chinese rubbers? |
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42andbackpains
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Never would happen!!! China will send in there stealth bombers and parachute in specially trained Ninja Pandas to deliver freshly manufactured center cut H3 National Blue sponge sheets with self exploding embedded bombs if it does not reach the China Team.....Just saying.
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Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P
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IMHO (& I may be wrong), but I'll think that they'll be blasting everything into the net. T05, with their stroke speed would occasionally bottom out.
I don't know: this puppy (H3 Prov, 38 deg) was at day 8 here of the boosting cycle & still hadn't flattened (you should have seen it at days 2 & 3). I can tell you after putting it on that it felt a whole lot more powerful than T05 (which was on the other side). |
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Can you guess who is using Tenergy in this match and who is using Hurricane? |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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AndySmith
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Ah yes, possibly. It's more a question of strokes being as they are and what they're used to.
I was thinking more about straight drives and the tack holding the ball up. That sheet looks ready to pop though. Good old #20 sponge, eh?
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Any grippy inverted rubber, even Mark V, in the hands of a skilled player. |
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We have seen ML's bats by timeline, and there was orange sponge H3 for a long time. So does FZD, he use normal H3 to defeat the current CNT to be one of them. Is that the matter? Edited by chop4ever - 07/13/2015 at 7:52pm |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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Agreed! And this is my two cent. The Chinese rubber like H3 is very consistent and stable, if it is hard enough. Don't ask me why your D39 boosted H3 has betrayed you, all CNT use D41 and they use only for a short rubber life time. You place the ball to where you want and how much spin you wish. By thousands hours practice, what I need is a reliable weapon, not a super powerful one. H3 behaves like manual gear car and none of racing car is automatic gear. Edited by chop4ever - 07/13/2015 at 8:05pm |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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