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Will Nina finally make herself useful this match?
change is not the only constant
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The weaker team won, I blame Lee Ho Ching
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Congrats to GERHY, SXNNet, and Mittelham.
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Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

The weaker team won, I blame Lee Ho Ching

The luckier team won. Thank you, ABC toss and net.
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God : European women's players don't deserve standing ovations because they are old and rubbish.
Oh wait, Germany women's team  just beat hkg and reach the wttc semi final. Sleepy
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ABC toss only affects the first two matches which Hong Kong won so Ermm
The salt from Zeio is real
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Some idiots ridiculed the standard of European women's tennis not long ago. Sure they are not as good as china,  but they are still good enough to beat a team like Hkg.
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Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

The weaker team won, I blame Lee Ho Ching

Don't agree with you. A team which have Shan xiona and Han Ying can beat any team on it's day, except China and Japan.
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Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

ABC toss only affects the first two matches which Hong Kong won so Ermm
The salt from Zeio is real

The ABC team always has an inherent advantage as the 1st singles playing in match 1 and match 4 gives them more flexibility in switching the 2nd and 3rd singles. They could avoid SWY from taking 2 points from HY and SXN, or ZCZ from taking 2 points from Mittelham and SXN.
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That's all for women's WTTC 2022. The remaining 5 matches have already been decided Tongue
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

The weaker team won, I blame Lee Ho Ching


Don't agree with you. A team which have Shan xiona and Han Ying can beat any team on it's day, except China and Japan.

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

ABC toss only affects the first two matches which Hong Kong won so Ermm
The salt from Zeio is real

The ABC team always has an inherent advantage as the 1st singles playing in match 1 and match 4 gives them more flexibility in switching the 2nd and 3rd singles. They could avoid SWY from taking 2 points from HY and SXN, or ZCZ from taking 2 points from Mittelham and SXN.


At the toss (1h45m prior), you either get ABC or XYZ and the players names for ABC or XYZ are provided already.

There is no flexibility after match 1, you can't change the players lists


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Romania was only 2 points away from eliminating hkg as well . 
Yeah, European women's teams are crap.Smile
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

The weaker team won, I blame Lee Ho Ching

Don't agree with you. A team which have Shan xiona and Han Ying can beat any team on it's day, except China and Japan.


That can apply to any team with 2 strong players in the top 10 or 2~3 in the top 20.

"on its day" Japan can beat China, Singapore can beat China (we seen it).
Not having DHK there did hurt 1 to 2 points for HK, injuries and reserves are all part off the teams challenges.

Fact is, 2022, Chinese imports are still owning most of Asian/European (womens) table tennis.
Local grown/developed talents are still a little below par in terms of levels with the top level imports.

Out of the top teams, HK top players did terrible in this world champs (all credits to Zhu for her wins), they all still pretty young, accept for Lee Ho Ching. I wonder if it is lack of match practice leading up to the world champs - they haven't taken part in WTT in a while or are they all carrying injuries



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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Came across this


Getting to Chengdu was not easy - maybe players pulled out due to the STRICT 10 day health monitoring policy prior to departure?

and wow, the quarantine after the event to stay in China and then travel to Macau...
Reading all those Q&As,,,,why didn't they just move all 3 tournaments to some place with less stress.

CT level of 40 is also way too high, so it must be tough for all invovled



A friend got tested positive on Monday
7 negative daily tests prior, then POSITIVE on Monday, isolated in room, and 2 tests daily, all NEGATIVE (5 of them so far)
but the friend still need to finish the 7 day post POS test isolation.....
While the room mate got NEG test, is free to walk around.

Sounds like a false positive... CT40 is way too high of a benchmark to use...






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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

ABC toss only affects the first two matches which Hong Kong won so Ermm
The salt from Zeio is real

The ABC team always has an inherent advantage as the 1st singles playing in match 1 and match 4 gives them more flexibility in switching the 2nd and 3rd singles. They could avoid SWY from taking 2 points from HY and SXN, or ZCZ from taking 2 points from Mittelham and SXN.


At the toss (1h45m prior), you either get ABC or XYZ and the players names for ABC or XYZ are provided already.

There is no flexibility after match 1, you can't change the players lists



Have they changed it?

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2014-06-24/10017225403.shtml
Quote 和半决赛按照主客队排阵不同,决赛中中国队定好无论抽主客队,马龙都打第一场,张继科打第二场,许昕上第三场。
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Out of the top teams, HK top players did terrible in this world champs (all credits to Zhu for her wins), they all still pretty young, accept for Lee Ho Ching. I wonder if it is lack of match practice leading up to the world champs - they haven't taken part in WTT in a while or are they all carrying injuries

DHK injured, SWY with her focal dystonia still managed to beat HY, ZCZ did well and you mentioned LHC isn't young anymore and she did OK overall. So they didn't actually do badly, if you look closely.

It may take another 5 years before we get a better picture of women's TT landscape in Europe, though the size of local, homegrown talent pools may means the China-trained players could still be around then. This said, even though Germany has heavily relied on SXN and HY lately, with Mittelhalm and Solja or Winter they've managed to train up a few decent players.

Edited by Bran - 10/06/2022 at 5:35am
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

ABC toss only affects the first two matches which Hong Kong won so Ermm
The salt from Zeio is real

The ABC team always has an inherent advantage as the 1st singles playing in match 1 and match 4 gives them more flexibility in switching the 2nd and 3rd singles. They could avoid SWY from taking 2 points from HY and SXN, or ZCZ from taking 2 points from Mittelham and SXN.


At the toss (1h45m prior), you either get ABC or XYZ and the players names for ABC or XYZ are provided already.

There is no flexibility after match 1, you can't change the players lists



Have they changed it?

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2014-06-24/10017225403.shtml
Quote 和半决赛按照主客队排阵不同,决赛中中国队定好无论抽主客队,马龙都打第一场,张继科打第二场,许昕上第三场。


yeah, your news is 2014.
what hasn't been changed lol
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Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Out of the top teams, HK top players did terrible in this world champs (all credits to Zhu for her wins), they all still pretty young, accept for Lee Ho Ching. I wonder if it is lack of match practice leading up to the world champs - they haven't taken part in WTT in a while or are they all carrying injuries

DHK injured, SWY with her focal dystonia still managed to beat HY, ZCZ did well and you mentioned LHC isn't young anymore and she did OK overall. So they didn't actually do badly, if you look closely.

It may take another 5 years before we get a better picture of women's TT landscape in Europe, though the size of local, homegrown talent pools may means the China-trained players could still be around then. This said, even though Germany has heavily relied on SXN and HY lately, with Mittelhalm and Solja or Winter they've managed to train up a few decent players.


3 x 3-2 so far (2 wins, 1 lost)
Germany, France, Romania.
Lee Ho Ching loosing during all 3.

Maybe not fair to say HK team did terrible. It is Lee doing terrible. At 3, and her high world ranking level and experience, should of have some more wins. But her wins including 12-10 over very weak Italian/South African players... something isn't right there, she isn't normal

I do hope more home grown  Euro players coming out the ranks.
In some countries, Chinese presence have up lifted the local level.
But to take over, and end up being aunties and grannies playing, is sad in a way.
It is great to see all those 40s, 50s, 60s year old still playing well, but it does take away the passion from local grown youth, who will just give up as all you need is another import and then you are on the side line.


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HKTTA confirms DHK is injured, and SWY was fielded with her medical condition.

https://hktta.org.hk/cgi-bin/display/news.cgi?news=3249
Quote 港入「一姐」杜凱琹今仗因傷缺�£,由蘇慧音夥朱成竹及李皓晴出戰,惜港隊在領先2場下被對手逆轉,總場數2:3憾負8強止步。

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決勝場由蘇慧音迎戰Nina Mittelham,首局雙方陷於膠著,蘇慧音在局尾�£得3分領先至10:8,並順利以11:9先贏一局。次局港將在落後5:9下力追至「刁時」,惜仍被對手以13:11扳平,帶傷上�£的蘇慧音在尾段奮力反抗,惟未能抵住對手的�£勢,�£輸兩局5:11、5:11,港隊總場數2:3見負,8強止步。
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True, LHC didn't perform well. So it's really on her, the others did as well as they could or better. I thought SWY had retired to focus on her studies, so I was positively surprised by her wins. I just hope she's not worsening her condition by playing.

As for Chinese imported players, it can be a delicate balance between emulation and discouraging locals, but I suspect it's also sometimes that there simply enough TT interest in some countries for them to have much impact in either direction, and they end up staying on until they decide to retire.
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Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:


, but I suspect it's also sometimes that there simply enough TT interest in some countries for them to have much impact in either direction, and they end up staying on until they decide to retire.


end of the day, if you get free airfare/accommodation to tournaments
and any tournaments wins is for your own pockets, there isn't any reason to retire, unless the body can't take it any more.
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by kaitenNashi kaitenNashi wrote:

ABC toss only affects the first two matches which Hong Kong won so Ermm
The salt from Zeio is real

The ABC team always has an inherent advantage as the 1st singles playing in match 1 and match 4 gives them more flexibility in switching the 2nd and 3rd singles. They could avoid SWY from taking 2 points from HY and SXN, or ZCZ from taking 2 points from Mittelham and SXN.


At the toss (1h45m prior), you either get ABC or XYZ and the players names for ABC or XYZ are provided already.

There is no flexibility after match 1, you can't change the players lists



Have they changed it?

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2014-06-24/10017225403.shtml
Quote 和半决赛按照主客队排阵不同,决赛中中国队定好无论抽主客队,马龙都打第一场,张继科打第二场,许昕上第三场。


yeah, your news is 2014.
what hasn't been changed lol

So you mean the news agency is out of the loop?

https://www.yangtse.com/content/1536172.html
Quote 根据赛前抽签,中国队抽到了客队,于是一单马龙出战第二、第四场,二单樊振东出战第一、第五场,三单王楚钦出战第三场。在樊振东、马龙先后3:0轻取阿法纳多尔和冈萨雷斯后,王楚钦并没有延续这样速胜的势头,在首局11:1强势拿下后,二三局遇到了不小的挑战。
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So you mean the news agency is out of the loop?

https://www.yangtse.com/content/1536172.html
[quote]根据赛前抽签,中国队抽到了客队,于是一单马龙出战第二、第四场,二单樊振东出战第一、第五场,三单王楚钦出战第三场。在樊振东、马龙先后3:0轻取阿法纳多尔和冈萨雷斯后,王楚钦并没有延续这样速胜的势头,在首局11:1强势拿下后,二三局遇到了不小的挑战。


You need to go ask the news agency that.
I can't answer for them

Maybe easier for you to ask ITTF competition manager, getting facts from the horses mouth is always better than just googling

edit: I just read your news article - what is it that you want me to read there?


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Yeah, blame the ABC toss, injuries, luck. Never give any credit to the opponent. Typical sour loser 
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Yeah, blame the ABC toss, injuries, luck. Never give any credit to the opponent. Typical sour loser 


have you ever played in any teams competition?

toss is so important, in 5 match, 3 win system, wining the 1st and 3rd is so important.

You want to have a 1-0 lead for pressure building, and the win at 3rd is a must.
It is not uncommon to put a stronger player at 3, to guarantee the win,  than to risk that stronger player loosing the 2 matches. Rather sacrifice the weaker player and hope yoru best player wins the other 2, to get the 3
If you take part in years of teams event, this should be a no brainier to you, unless you are team China and no matter what kind of roster, you will still win

Injuries and how hard you play - this is normal too.
If it is worth going for it, despite injured, the player will go for it, its been around for decades, not new.

Luck - that's  part of the game.

The above is all logic / common sense

But I guess you only here for arguments
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Would be nice if you can help me comprehend 3.7.7.3 from ITTF Handbook 2022.

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Quote 3.7.7 Team Match Procedure
3.7.7.1 All players shall be selected from those nominated for the event.
3.7.7.2 The name of the team captain, playing or non-playing, shall be designated
beforehand to the umpire.
3.7.7.3 Before a team match the right to choose A, B, C or X, Y, Z shall be decided
by lot and the captains shall name their teams to the referee or his or her
representative, assigning a letter to each singles player.

3.7.7.4 The pairs for a doubles match need not be nominated until the end of the
immediately preceding singles match.
3.7.7.5 A team match shall end when one team has won a majority of the possible
individual matches.


Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:


So you mean the news agency is out of the loop?

https://www.yangtse.com/content/1536172.html
[quote]根据赛前抽签,中国队抽到了客队,于是一单马龙出战第二、第四场,二单樊振东出战第一、第五场,三单王楚钦出战第三场。在樊振东、马龙先后3:0轻取阿法纳多尔和冈萨雷斯后,王楚钦并没有延续这样速胜的势头,在首局11:1强势拿下后,二三局遇到了不小的挑战。


You need to go ask the news agency that.
I can't answer for them

Maybe easier for you to ask ITTF competition manager, getting facts from the horses mouth is always better than just googling

edit: I just read your news article - what is it that you want me to read there?

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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Yeah, blame the ABC toss, injuries, luck. Never give any credit to the opponent. Typical sour loser 


have you ever played in any teams competition?

toss is so important, in 5 match, 3 win system, wining the 1st and 3rd is so important.

You want to have a 1-0 lead for pressure building, and the win at 3rd is a must.
It is not uncommon to put a stronger player at 3, to guarantee the win,  than to risk that stronger player loosing the 2 matches. Rather sacrifice the weaker player and hope yoru best player wins the other 2, to get the 3
If you take part in years of teams event, this should be a no brainier to you, unless you are team China and no matter what kind of roster, you will still win

Injuries and how hard you play - this is normal too.
If it is worth going for it, despite injured, the player will go for it, its been around for decades, not new.

Luck - that's  part of the game.

The above is all logic / common sense

But I guess you only here for arguments

 
That is right, the toss, luck and injury are all parts of the game and should not be used as excuses for losing.
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