WTTC Finals 2022, Chengdu, 9/30-10/9

pongfugrasshopper wrote: Sometimes igorponger is too cryptic so I usually don't bother trying to figure it out, but perhaps he just means that Paris 2024 is adopting the mixed doubles (1 male/1 female) event, which he's calling a team, that started with the Tokyo Olympics?  That has nothing to do with the Teams event in Chengdu, but that's never stopped him before !

Another day, another round. Let's try a new header.

QD is back to top 5!


STTA: Zeng Jian!
DTTB: HY ist der Beste!

zeio wrote: NextLevel wrote: Guys, let's relax a bit here.  I am not sure where this is going since the 5 singles matches format is not the same animal as the doubles match and 4 singles format, which has evolved from having the doubles match in 3rd place to having the doubles match in first place. I can't believe you folks would argue with me on this. One last time. https://www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/regarding-abc-and-xyz-system Alois Rosario Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 5 years ago With that format most teams will choose ABC. A is your best player and having them start against one of the other teams weaker players means your team should get off to a good start. Also it gives A a better rest time between matches. Y is the other teams best player and has to play in matches 2 and 4.

Edited by NextLevel - 10/06/2022 at 3:55pm

If this has been answered I apologize but why is the “coach” guy for Japan women team just stands there not coaching at all? Is this a new strategy? He’s there for moral support only? What happens when they face China? 

NextLevel wrote: KiwiPong wrote: If this has been answered I apologize but why is the “coach” guy for Japan women team just stands there not coaching at all? Is this a new strategy? He’s there for moral support only? What happens when they face China?  He is using the Phil Jackson style - I doubt you will see him coach much even when they face China, unless he has some special knowledge/ideas in mind.  As he said in an earlier interview zeio posted, sometimes the women know more about opponents than the coach himself, given how much some of them like Sato have played on tour.

NextLevel wrote: As ZAPenholder pointed out, bringing argument related to ABC from a different format (Olympics) to inform the WTTC is confusing.  The advantage of ABC in the 5 singles format is relatively minor - does anyone think that whether China wins or loses a match these days hinges on whether it chooses ABC? We know you are infallible - that said, the main point is for you to explain which of the matchups would have been affected significantly by a change in order.  You think Zhu Chengzu would have magically learned to play choppers?  You think Han Ying would have been more tired if she had to play Soo and then Zhu?  You think Nina would not have beaten a rested Soo?  Waiting to hear this - I have been busy so maybe you have your detailed explication of this which I will catch up with when I review the thread.

Answer this. When given the choice, why would every team always choose to be ABC team? I'm talking about any team event, be it the new Swaythling system or Olympic system.

As Fukuhara pointed out(go back to read it), China will win no matter what when the strength difference is so great that whatever slight "edge" being the ABC team is nullified.

Suppose HKG was the ABC team and same 3rd singles for both teams, there could be 3 scenarios, from best to worst. In the first one, GER would've been down 2-1 instead of 2-2 when Mittelham had to play SWY. The fact that GER "hid" SXN in 3rd singles is clear enough that they wanted to prevent either SWY/ZCZ from scoring 2 points and the ABC team gave them the room for HY to lose 1 point.

SWY 3-1 HY
ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham
LHC 1-3 SXN
SWY ? Mittelham
ZCZ 0-3 HY

ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham
SWY 3-1 HY
LHC 1-3 SXN
ZCZ 0-3 HY
SWY ? Mittelham

SWY ? Mittelham
ZCZ 0-3 HY
LHC 1-3 SXN
SWY 3-1 HY
ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham

Edited by zeio - 10/06/2022 at 11:28pm

zeio wrote: NextLevel wrote: As ZAPenholder pointed out, bringing argument related to ABC from a different format (Olympics) to inform the WTTC is confusing.  The advantage of ABC in the 5 singles format is relatively minor - does anyone think that whether China wins or loses a match these days hinges on whether it chooses ABC? We know you are infallible - that said, the main point is for you to explain which of the matchups would have been affected significantly by a change in order.  You think Zhu Chengzu would have magically learned to play choppers?  You think Han Ying would have been more tired if she had to play Soo and then Zhu?  You think Nina would not have beaten a rested Soo?  Waiting to hear this - I have been busy so maybe you have your detailed explication of this which I will catch up with when I review the thread. Answer this. When given the choice, why would every team always choose to be ABC team? I'm talking about any team event, be it the new Swaythling system or Olympic system. As Fukuhara pointed out(go back to read it), China will win no matter what when the strength difference is so great that whatever slight "edge" being the ABC team is nullified. Suppose HKG was the ABC team and same 3rd singles for both teams, there could be 3 scenarios, from best to worst. In the first one, GER would've been down 2-1 instead of 2-2 when Mittelham had to play SWY. The fact that GER "hid" SXN in 3rd singles is clear enough that they wanted to prevent either SWY/ZCZ from scoring 2 points and the ABC team gave them the room for HY to lose 1 point. SWY 3-1 HY ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham LHC 1-3 SXN SWY vs Mittelham ZCZ 0-3 HY ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham SWY 3-1 HY LHC 1-3 SXN ZCZ 0-3 HY SWY ? Mittelham SWY ? Mittelham ZCZ 0-3 HY LHC 1-3 SXN SWY 3-1 HY ZCZ vs Mittelham

kaitenNashi wrote: That's all for women's WTTC 2022. The remaining 5 matches have already been decided

zeio wrote: NextLevel wrote: As ZAPenholder pointed out, bringing argument related to ABC from a different format (Olympics) to inform the WTTC is confusing.  The advantage of ABC in the 5 singles format is relatively minor - does anyone think that whether China wins or loses a match these days hinges on whether it chooses ABC? We know you are infallible - that said, the main point is for you to explain which of the matchups would have been affected significantly by a change in order.  You think Zhu Chengzu would have magically learned to play choppers?  You think Han Ying would have been more tired if she had to play Soo and then Zhu?  You think Nina would not have beaten a rested Soo?  Waiting to hear this - I have been busy so maybe you have your detailed explication of this which I will catch up with when I review the thread. Answer this. When given the choice, why would every team always choose to be ABC team? I'm talking about any team event, be it the new Swaythling system or Olympic system. As Fukuhara pointed out(go back to read it), China will win no matter what when the strength difference is so great that whatever slight "edge" being the ABC team is nullified. Suppose HKG was the ABC team and same 3rd singles for both teams, there could be 3 scenarios, from best to worst. In the first one, GER would've been down 2-1 instead of 2-2 when Mittelham had to play SWY. The fact that GER "hid" SXN in 3rd singles is clear enough that they wanted to prevent either SWY/ZCZ from scoring 2 points and the ABC team gave them the room for HY to lose 1 point. SWY 3-1 HY ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham LHC 1-3 SXN SWY ? Mittelham ZCZ 0-3 HY ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham SWY 3-1 HY LHC 1-3 SXN ZCZ 0-3 HY SWY ? Mittelham SWY ? Mittelham ZCZ 0-3 HY LHC 1-3 SXN SWY 3-1 HY ZCZ 3-1 Mittelham

I know that the WTT were supposed to be an upgrade in terms of the live coverage (quantity AND quality), but I can’t remember the last time that a World Team Championship men’s team quarterfinal wasn’t covered by a “real” TV production…? 

HKG men's team got the  ABC toss advantage but still lost to Korea 3:1. Just shows you how lame the toss excuse is. 

Edited by jackwong23 - 10/07/2022 at 1:47am

jackwong23 wrote: dewnyc wrote: Germany won 3 straight to come back from 0-2 against France and are guaranteed a medal I guess the German men's team won  because they had the ABC toss advantage.