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zwu168
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Sure they are trying to play like pros! The fact that you picked it up means they must be doing something right :)
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Timo Boll ALC ST
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bozbrisvegas
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ok hope we havent gone to far.
thanks for all the "defense guys" - I will try to play more like Timo Boll with an injured knee or back next time instead of an injured shoulder. lol
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yogi_bear
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boz, you should also try doing a 7+ rally and then do a waldner placement on the opposite of the table so that you will satisfy somebody here hehehe.. have you read my pm?
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debraj
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what a waste of Blue Whale II rubber ... chopping.
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bozbrisvegas
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yes debraj he has a chop for balls that drop. I have said to him that its not the best idea but hey he may become a good unique fh chopper. chinese rubbers is good for chopping blue whale or not.
Me personally in the top division tonight I got hammered again by Peri ( a lady I have posted playing before, she has come into great from in the last month, I think she played the commonwealth games recently in Scotland it was pretty much 11:4 111: 11:6 - something like that. The other defensive player I could have beat because he has nothing and yet I lost because I wasn't focussed on winning, I was foucussed on playing my game. The way to beat him is to just soft rally get the ball back and let him make the soft attacks and yet I couldnt be bothered with that, I'm inconsistant.
I wish recorded for the guy here, we had every second point a 7+ rall because he is the best lobber fisher weird shot player in our state. I did about 4 or 5 sidespin smash shots that he just kept getting back. I can't smash with tenergy never have been able to, never have felt its important. I know I need to be a bit more consistant at my constant loop style to win.
oh well, he has been playing A grade for about 15 times longer than me atleast...
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bozbrisvegas
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been busy about reading pms yogi - i will get around to watching though sorry man.
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sebas-aguirre
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can't you use a proxy? try www.proxify.com |
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sebas-aguirre
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really nice style boz!!!
you seem to be more comfortable, confident on your backhand. for me it is the other way round |
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bozbrisvegas
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I've currently let go of the solcion, and now trying relearn a t05 backhand. Must admit t05 is much better, I just not feeling the total familiarity with it where it feels totally normal extension of me yet. It feels like de ja vu. It needs to feel like its not there like its totally natural again.
It's so much faster even though i glued the solcion the t05 is faster and spinnier.
thanks sebas
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bozbrisvegas
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even though I love t05 on fh Im wondering if since my arm wont allow much backswing in countering if I should learn a constant over the table counter early shot and whether t25 may be better for me. Ive never used it. If I keep my stroke short and close to my body it doesnt hurt my shoulder. Is it possible that an injury may actually teach you correct technique? I mean I know I am going to have to improve my footword as a result.
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debraj
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boz... didn't you try the cj8000 biotech for bh... how did that go? what was the hardness?
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chugun
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guys ur pretty good for beginners....keep it up....
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...chugun is fighting with loopers...
push,push,push...and when they loop smack it Senkoh 5 shor pimple Stiga Royal 2.0 |
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sebas-aguirre
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your fh loop looks really strange boz.... don't take it as something negative, I'm just giving you an advice. it's like you try to do the same movement as with backhand. you could try making a movement more from back to forward, not from bottom to top. if you hit the ball at the right angle going from back forward it'll have spin. it's a matter of finding the right angle. but always go from back forward. you only loop from bottom to top if the ball has backspin (this is different from saying "when the other guy chops") |
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bozbrisvegas
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actually the bio tech i used for a few hours and thought it was no good but the sheet i had was old. I have new stuff.
and i ve been tempted to put it not my bh but my fh because it is the only rubber that i found i could do soft forward angled hit with that went on the table. NO grazing, no 90 degree open angle just a nice straight forward at 45 degrees.
I know my fh has always been weird the only thing ive ever been good at with it is looping tons of spin on it, I cant drive the ball and I cant smash.
Currently my fh is even worse and I cant or dont want to move my upper arm away from my body unless i totally have to. Im trying to use very very little shoulder. I will nurse it until there is no more recurring pain.
Only hurts when I go for my fh. Ive never had a short fh stroke unless over the table. But now I want to train myself to play at the table constantly doing short timed strokes..
we see how long it lasts because i love the big 3 metre rally.
anyway tonight I play Fruit LOop and I am sure he is at the centre right now getting ready to play me.
can I win with this injury? lets find out. He has been my main practise partner now for a while we know each others weaknesses so it will be a fine night.
oh I am not a beginner - well I know 6 years isnt that long but i think ive passed the beginner part now. BEn however is about 2 years play which i think is remarkable
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yogi_bear
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boz, is tenergy 05 good even if glued with a voc glue? no weird effects?
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bozbrisvegas
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it increases catapult and spin but it becomes uncontrollable and falls apart quite quickly. Actually its the only rubber I have found that plays better unglued. I mean you can use voc glue but dont try to make the glue effect. I mean wth my other rubbers if I wanted a strong glue effect I would put a layer on my blade and on my rubber and then put the rubber straight onto a piece of glass so the efffect evaporates up through the sponge and topsheet. This is the most economical way to do it. Then I pull it off the glass and roll onto the blade.
With the t05 if you want to use voc just put it on and leave it to dry for an hour so it all evaporates upwards. There will be some effect but minimal to my glass glue method.
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bozbrisvegas
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I thought Fruit Loop was going to beat me tonight after he got the first set 12:10 I think? But I slowed down a bit and stopped trying to win off low percentage shots mainly.
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Hey Boz
You wrote on ooak forum u using ALC now, still the case? what u think of it after many weeks of play? Did u get another Ishlion from Thailand? I love the light weight of it but if u think ALC gives more then I might try. Sorry, never answered ur question, my Ishlion is 76gr, but I put epoxy (araldite) all around the edges to cater for the table hits, that adds another 1-2 gr. Considering u got injury I reckon ur game looks good. I got same shoulder problems for over 6 months now, won't go away completely. Stopped playing for 6 weeks, then first week back, injury re-occurred. I wonder if some weight training might help. Have u heard of MSM cream (Methylsulfonylmethane), might be worth a shot, a guy I know uses it, I'll get more info. Cheers |
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bozbrisvegas
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hey mate - no I sold the alc - I only lost about $10 of how much it cost me to use for a bit - so i am happy. loved the blade not the weight.
yea i got one from thailand straight handle super sexy looking still havent touched since this ishlion is perfect playing condition, I also tried the zlf which I may retry again in the future, but when I tried it first idea was its too slow and I had trouble keeping the ball low.
Its great blade but I think its a t64 blade not 05 but hey i might change with my injury into a soft rally player but that will mean i get my but kicked lol
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bozbrisvegas
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havent heard of the cream but i dont realy believe thats the answer - I am currently trying to model a style which doesnt jerk my shoulder. Its complex but its like I have to do a more gradual build up and I can still hit it with as much speed and spin as before. Its the recovering that hurts.
One of the coaches was sitting studying my fh hand and he said something new to me, He said I brake the stroke. Meaning I need to allow more follow through to deaccelerate before pulling back to the ready position or backswing for the next one.
So that probably also means I may need to make a more compact stroke which might solve the shoulder injury. I have a feeling that it may be angoing problem. And I have had a few sessions of play (many hours in one day) where there was no pain because of my altered technique.
So I am starting to believe I will become even more euro chicken like than before... dam - I will oaccasionally go for a big stroke but not practise it too much. I might up even playing more like a good female player with short compact strokes at the table? anyway its late and I am rambling about myself.
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bozbrisvegas
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Last report my arm isn't as bad as it has been because I have modified my technique and am getting used to it and making it more me or my game now, I still go for those big ones but only if I feel I really have to otherwise I just let them get away. It feels great! not as good as playing 100% my style riping everything with everything ive got but it feels great that the newish style is coming home.
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DreiZ
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very amazing quality video and play.. still using ishlion +05 + solcion? how old is the guy in the red shirt? |
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bozbrisvegas
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solcion is still in the cupboard until next time I feel like having a control rubber. currently I want to try bryce speed fx on zlf - or a few other rubbers on it before I totally rule it out.thanks for the compliments.
fruitloop is under 20 I'm over 30. keeping it general.
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There are many clips of me playing...
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The Older I get, The better I was.
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bozbrisvegas
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link please
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oh btw Fruit has improved in leaps and bounds even since that video - my prediction is that he will be at the top of our club in a year.
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chinamike
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Hey Boz,
The BIGGEST thing that stands out with your technique (which is likely the cause of your shoulder pain) is that you're using ALL ARMS with your FH stroke. If you want to have more spin and power with your shot it has to come from the legs and torso. Start lower with your blade and end higher. Your arm almost looks like a windshield wiper in terms of the path that it takes. Anyways, my 2 cents please take no offense. |
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Fruit, I think that you fall into the trap that I do sometimes. Just because I can hit a good chop sometimes doesn't mean that you should. I think that it's tactical as opposed to execution. I agree with deb on the waste of BW2 and would even go with an outright winner rather than relying on a chop.
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Fruit loop
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i agree with the chopping comments, was more a phase because i couldn't get a forehand on the table that day. its an old video anyway, i think my game has changed a lot. I'm sure we will get another vid up when boz isn't so busy =)
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