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Quadri Aruna played extremely well against Dima. He had Dima choing every point in the 7th game, indicating pressure.

Redemption for the disappointment in Nigeria last week. 
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

Yes .. One time in 2014 and two times in 2016 ...Ermm

Add another one, Japan Top-12 final in 3/2017.

Well, Ishikawa is much better at "suppressing" her teammates than you-know-who, much to the chagrin of Japanese folks.

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Aruna played terribly after the 3rd game. Whenever he forced Ovtcharov away from the table he kept attacking his backhand and Ovtcharov won many easy points with a backhand counter attack. He should have mixed attacks to the backhand with such to the forehand and the body of Ovtcharov. Poor tactics.
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ISHIKAWA seemingly makes friend with MIMA ITO. And Ishikawa needs to hate Mima every time they happen to play each other.    Such is vicissitudes of the sporting life..

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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

ISHIKAWA makes friend with    MIMA ITO. in morning, and makes enemy in afternoon.    Such is vicissitudes of the sporting life..
ITO is Ishikawa's wd partner Big smile
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Very exciting men's doubles final.
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Very deflating women's singles final.
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Well, well, well... I thought Ovtcharov would steamroller over Matsudaira Kenta, but Ovtcharov makes enough unforced errors to let Matsudaira go up 10-6 in the first. Ovtcharov's serve is giving Matsudaira trouble though. Matsudaira sneaks it 11-9.
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What is the point of having Kunihito Tasei sit at the bench? He let Matsudaira blow that massive lead in the 2nd game. Fascinating.
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Unbelievable, Ovtcharov is moaning and crying at every shot as if he is experiencing a severe pain. Something should be done about this

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Very deflating women's singles final.


Fighting only in the first game ... Next - just was not a game ...Shocked
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Dima simply too powerful
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Same thing for the men's singles final. A TO is always called after it's too late.
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I thought Aruna had Dima cooked yesterday after being 3:1 up. Is there any coach for Aruna in this event? Really wished he had won this event.
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Originally posted by naijachief naijachief wrote:

Quadri Aruna played extremely well against Dima. He had Dima choing every point in the 7th game, indicating pressure.

Redemption for the disappointment in Nigeria last week. 

Yes.  On the flip side, Dima was stubborn and tried to play Aruna straight up for the first 4 games.  After that, the quality of his strategic game improved massively.
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Mrs. Daniela Guergueltcheva, born 1964.    The all-time best succesful pingpang player of Bulgaria. She was on her uppermost during the years 1988 -1992.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Guergueltcheva


Looking around for any video of Daniela playing at the 1990 Europa Champs. Thanks.
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ITTF GRANG FINALS 2017. No China-man present. Another opportunity for Dima to make money, big money.

http://www.old.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=standings

https://www.ittf.com/2017-ittf-world-tour/events/

Three Pro Tour events forthcoming.
It is rather unlikely we see any of China man playing the Grand Final.

Dima Ovtcharov should take the big Cake of 100,000 this year.    
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

What is the point of having Kunihito Tasei sit at the bench? He let Matsudaira blow that massive lead in the 2nd game. Fascinating.
That was exactly my thought as well. The interaction between Kenta Matsudaira and his coach was... anemic?
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The dude is like "I don't give a fuq." I mean he is listed the second in command of the men's national team, and the director for U-18 and U-15.

But what do I know? It could be that he wagered on DO spotting a game only.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

The dude is like "I don't give a fuq." I mean he is listed the second in command of the men's national team, and the director for U-18 and U-15.

But what do I know? It could be that he wagered on DO spotting a game only.


Give the guy a break. It was a 5-0 lead. 5-0 is one of those leads where you aren't sure whether your guy has secured the game or not.
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Dima's coach Chen Hongyu, former CNT player and Sichuan team coach who moved to Germany circa 93, called TO at 8-7 after Matsudaira blew his lead and Dima ended up leading 8-5 in the 2nd game. 8-7! You tell me Dima has better odds taking that game than when being down 0-5? Either way, he got the next point after that TO and took that game.

Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean Dima wouldn't have won that game on his own, but the thing is Tasei didn't call it at 5-2, 5-3 or even 5-4, but instead chose to call it when the score was already 1-3 in game, when Matsudaira's back was already against the wall. Even if it got Matsudaira the 5th game, that TO would have had much less of an effect on the outcome than if it had been called in the 2nd game.

As it stands, Chen didn't take any chances when Dima could have been down 2 games. Tasei presumably didn't come to the same conclusion.

Edited by zeio - 08/21/2017 at 6:33am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Tasei knows better when to call it.
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Hell yea, Aruna knew better when to go for Dima's forehand.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Dima's coach Chen Hongyu, former CNT player and Sichuan team coach who moved to Germany circa 93, called TO at 8-7 after Matsudaira blew his lead and Dima ended up leading 8-5 in the 2nd game. 8-7! You tell me Dima has better odds taking that game than when being down 0-5? Either way, he got the next point after that TO and took that game.

Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean Dima wouldn't have won that game on his own, but the thing is Tasei didn't call it at 5-2, 5-3 or even 5-4, but instead chose to call it when the score was already 1-3 in game, when Matsudaira's back was already against the wall. Even if it got Matsudaira the 5th game, that TO would have had much less of an effect on the outcome than if it had been called in the 2nd game.

As it stands, Chen didn't take any chances when Dima could have been down 2 games. Tasei presumably didn't come to the same conclusion.


Calling a timeout at 5-3 with your man in the lead in the match is a sign of panic. Hindsight in this case is 20-20. But at that point in time, calling a timeout really means you have to know your player has lost focus at 5-3 in game 2. That is a hard call to make unless opinions the player really well.

Timeouts can be overrated too. Bit I am just saying that calling a timeout in the first half of the game with your man up is hard. If it had been 8-3 Kenta and Roman had come back to 8-7, that would have been a no brainer.
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OVTCHAROV --THE KING ALMIGHTY ...





ITTF GRANG FINALS 2017. No China-man present. Another opportunity for Dima to make money, big money.

Three Pro Tour events forthcoming till the end of the season 2017.
It is rather unlikely that we see any of China man playing the Grand Final.

Dima Ovtcharov should take the big Cake of 100,000 in Kazakh Astana capital town..
Dima Ovtcharov, he is a real robot-machine to print money non-stop.
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He is something like a non-stop machine to produce money. Dinamo.

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BULGARIA's BOUNTY INCREDIBLE ...

Ovtcharov was happily surprized with 15,600 USD in hand instead of 9,000 as announced previously in the payment roll.
Kenta Matsudaira has got 7,800 in hand instead of 4,500.

Bulgaria did managed to increase the total prize purse from 80,000 to 130,000.   So praiseworthy generosity, indeed...
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Shibaev VS Lee Sangsu, MS Final, Polish Open 2011

In the 3rd game, Lee was already 2 games up and blasted off with a 6-0 lead, then 6-2, 7-2, 7-3, 7-4, it wasn't until 7-5 that TO was called. Nonetheless, it stopped Shibaev's run of points. But Lee's flow was already disrupted and he barely edged out in that game at 12:10. In hindsight, given the TO was ultimately forced, it would have been better to call it early than late.

This scenario happens so often that experienced coaches should literally be prepared to call a TO when they smell it.
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Again, 7-5 is not 5-3. I think you are purposely refusing to acknowledge the the point zeio but it is okay.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/22/2017 at 2:58am
Because I know an example of LGL calling TO in a strikingly similar fashion that I simply can't acknowledge the point. I will start another thread for that.
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