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    Posted: 11/04/2018 at 8:16am
Many players just like Swedish Open. Excited to see how Ito will perform.

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This should be better than the Swedish open.  The top 38 players are there (by WR).  
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

This should be better than the Swedish open.  The top 38 players are there (by WR).  
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Yes.
The Swedish Open is just a World Tour.
The Austrian Open is a World Tour - Premium (commands higher ITTF ranking points.)
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With 141 women signed up, how do the mechanics work? How many are automatically in and how many have to qualify?
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

With 141 women signed up, how do the mechanics work? How many are automatically in and how many have to qualify?
I think only the first 16 best ranked will go straight in the main draw. All the others will have to win 3 or 4 rounds if they want 1 of the 16 remaining places.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

With 141 women signed up, how do the mechanics work? How many are automatically in and how many have to qualify?
I think only the first 16 best ranked will go straight in the main draw. All the others will have to win 3 or 4 rounds if they want 1 of the 16 remaining places.
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That's what I think for a World Tour:  16 seeds and 16 qualifiers. 32 players in the Main Draw.
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For some Challenge Series, it may have 32 seeds and 32 qualifiers.  64 players in the Main Draw
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So, as in Sweden, in the qualification of 8 Chinese women...
Theoretically, a maximum of six of them will be able to qualify ....
In addition to the six seeded ...
It will be curious to see the main grid, R-32 ...
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

So, as in Sweden, in the qualification of 8 Chinese women...
Theoretically, a maximum of six of them will be able to qualify ....
In addition to the six seeded ...
It will be curious to see the main grid, R-32 ...
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There are 2 pairs Chinese women players duke it out against one another.
2 will be knocked out by another Chinese player - leaving only 6. (You are right about that.)

We will see if all of them can get to the Main Draw.
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Ito Mima is in this one:  Austrian Open
So are some top Chinese women players.
Ito will bound to run into some of them.

See if Ito can win this one.
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So, fate has appointed a possible meeting Z.Y.L. and ITO Mima is already in the quarter finals .....
And a possible meeting with L.S.W.(or C.M.) .... in the semi-finals .....
Unless, of course, she would have to play with HE Zhuojia, WANG  Yidi or SUN Yingsha until R8 ...

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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:


So, fate has appointed a possible meeting Z.Y.L. and ITO Mima is already in the quarter finals .....
And a possible meeting with L.S.W.(or C.M.) .... in the semi-finals .....
Unless, of course, she would have to play with HE Zhuojia, WANG  Yidi or SUN Yingsga until R8 ...

This brings up an interesting problem for China.  Let's say Wang Yidi meets Mima Ito in the Round of 32 or 16 and she beats Mima Ito.  This then prevents ZYL, LSW, CM, WMY, or DN (all Olympic spot hopefuls) from meeting Mima Ito.  Whichever two players selected for the Olympics are going to want and need as much experience playing against her as possible.  So for the sake of the CNT does Wang Yidi purposely lose?  Or let's say CXT has a great tournament and takes out CM and LSW and Mima Ito crushes ZYL again.  Now, CXT meets Mima Ito preventing both LSW and CM a shot at her, and if CXT beats Mima Ito, that prevents WMY and DN from matching up against her as well.  Same question, would the CNT force her to lose for the sake of the team?  This problem continues for subsequent tournaments where China hasn't selected their two Olympic hopefuls.


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Right ... ... There is a problem for C.N.T. coaches, and I wonder how they will solve it .....
I would like to wish ITO Mima good luck!Embarrassed


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Ito Mima is in this one:  Austrian Open
So are some top Chinese women players.
Ito will bound to run into some of them.

See if Ito can win this one.


Ito should take some break in playing now, for medical reasons.

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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Ito Mima is in this one:  Austrian Open
So are some top Chinese women players.
Ito will bound to run into some of them.

See if Ito can win this one.


Ito should take some break in playing now, for medical reasons.
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If Zhu Yuling and Ito Mima meet again, they will meet much earlier - in the quarter final.
Don't think their opponents can beat them.

So, definitely, they will meet again soon.

Last time, just a few days ago, Ito just killed Zhu really really bad. (It sure surprised me.)
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:


So, fate has appointed a possible meeting Z.Y.L. and ITO Mima is already in the quarter finals .....
And a possible meeting with L.S.W.(or C.M.) .... in the semi-finals .....
Unless, of course, she would have to play with HE Zhuojia, WANG  Yidi or SUN Yingsga until R8 ...

This brings up an interesting problem for China.  Let's say Wang Yidi meets Mima Ito in the Round of 32 or 16 and she beats Mima Ito.  This then prevents ZYL, LSW, CM, WMY, or DN (all Olympic spot hopefuls) from meeting Mima Ito.  Whichever two players selected for the Olympics are going to want and need as much experience playing against her as possible.  So for the sake of the CNT does Wang Yidi purposely lose?  Or let's say CXT has a great tournament and takes out CM and LSW and Mima Ito crushes ZYL again.  Now, CXT meets Mima Ito preventing both LSW and CM a shot at her, and if CXT beats Mima Ito, that prevents WMY and DN from matching up against her as well.  Same question, would the CNT force her to lose for the sake of the team?  This problem continues for subsequent tournaments where China hasn't selected their two Olympic hopefuls.

Please, whoever CNT player is, she will do her best to beat ITO the first chance she's got.  
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If Zhu Yuling and Ito Mima meet again, they will meet much earlier - in the quarter final.
Don't think their opponents can beat them.

So, definitely, they will meet again soon.

Last time, just a few days ago, Ito just killed Zhu really really bad. (It sure surprised me.)

They will probably meet in the quarterfinals, but there's the *possibility* that Wang Yidi gets through the qualifiers and lands in Mima Ito's bracket such that Wang Yidi meets her in the Round of 32 or 16 (so before ZYL).  And the last time they played (2018 Bulgaria Open), Wang Yidi won.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If Zhu Yuling and Ito Mima meet again, they will meet much earlier - in the quarter final.
Don't think their opponents can beat them.
So, definitely, they will meet again soon.
Last time, just a few days ago, Ito just killed Zhu really really bad. (It sure surprised me.)

They will probably meet in the quarterfinals, but there's the *possibility* that Wang Yidi gets through the qualifiers and lands in Mima Ito's bracket such that Wang Yidi meets her in the Round of 32 or 16 (so before ZYL).  And the last time they played (2018 Bulgaria Open), Wang Yidi won.
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In order for that to happen, Wang Yidi will need to be drawn into the position 6 or position 7.
The probability is 2/32 = 6.25%  (Not a very high probability.)

Ito played at much higher level, than her normal playing level, at the recent Swedish open.
Has she improved? It sure looks like that she has.

Should Wang Yidi meet Ito, Wang may find that the current Ito may be a very different Ito than she played last time in Bulgaria Open.

(Footnote:  Zhu Yuling previously played Ito Mima 3 times, Zhu won all 3, reference:  ITTF head-to-head.
                 But, Zhu lost badly to Ito in the recent Swedish Open.)


Edited by skip3119 - 11/05/2018 at 7:34pm
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I look forward to seeing Timo trying to go deep Vs the Chinese army.
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There is something called momentum. I would say that in the Swedish Open beating LSW and DN brings out the beast in Ito Mima. For the Austrian Open, if Ito meets with ZYL, it might be a totally different story. Still hard to believe that Ito's style can be very consistent. We will see.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If Zhu Yuling and Ito Mima meet again, they will meet much earlier - in the quarter final.
Don't think their opponents can beat them.
So, definitely, they will meet again soon.
Last time, just a few days ago, Ito just killed Zhu really really bad. (It sure surprised me.)

They will probably meet in the quarterfinals, but there's the *possibility* that Wang Yidi gets through the qualifiers and lands in Mima Ito's bracket such that Wang Yidi meets her in the Round of 32 or 16 (so before ZYL).  And the last time they played (2018 Bulgaria Open), Wang Yidi won.
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In order for that to happen, Wang Yidi will need to be drawn into the position 6 or position 7.
The probability is 2/32 = 6.25%  (Not a very high probability.)

Ito played at much higher level, than her normal playing level, at the recent Swedish open.
Has she improved? It sure looks like that she has.

Should Wang Yidi meet Ito, Wang may find that the current Ito may be a very different Ito than she played last time in Bulgaria Open.

(Footnote:  Zhu Yuling previously played Ito Mima 3 times, Zhu won all 3, reference:  ITTF head-to-head.
                 But, Zhu lost badly to Ito in the recent Swedish Open.)

I emphasized *possibility*.  There are 16 potential slots, 2 of which would allow a potential match up in R32 or R16.  No question that Mima Ito has improved.  Would be interesting for Mima Ito as you always want to play someone who beat you before.  Another interesting encounter would be with SYS.  No matter which CNT player plays, every new encounter is different and should be fun to see.
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I think younger CNT members have better chance against Ito than senior ones. WYD is damned fast. DN beat her in the Swedish Open mainly for her Tomahawk serves.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

I think younger CNT members have better chance against Ito than senior ones. WYD is damned fast. DN beat her in the Swedish Open mainly for her Tomahawk serves.


In addition to being fast, WYD is powerfully built. But the key difference between WYD and ZYL in a matchup between them and Mima Ito is that WYD applies pressure and does a better job at creating angles than ZYL. ZYL may be the more talented player over all, but in a style matchup against ultra aggressive Mima Ito, I like WYD better. ZYL looked like a fish out of water whereas at least LSW and DN were competitive. With almost no time between tournaments, if ZYL and Mimma Ito play again, I would favor Mima Ito again. Mima Ito loves it when opponents play passively.
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I Wonder what would be a match between Sun Yingsha and Ito Mima...Maybe the draw will end to this match….
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4 rounds of preliminary matches, that is just insane.
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With Zhu Yuling facing Ito Mima so soon after a lopsided defeat, it doesn't have enough time for Zhu to develop necessary skill/strategy to deal with Ito Mima's relentless short-pips attacks and Ito's speed: it will be very challenging for Zhu to pull off a revenge.  IMO.

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Vladi surprisingly getting destroyed by an unknown german player


He's not unknown, he got to the German national final and lost to Timo. Also Vladi turning it around.
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Vladi surprisingly getting destroyed by an unknown german player


He's not unknown, he got to the German national final and lost to Timo. Also Vladi turning it around.
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Wang Chuqin was knocked out by Sathiyan.
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