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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Yang Xiaoxin n°248: LOLLLLLLBig smile

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Yang Xiaoxin is a darn good player, she won Czech Open - she is well inside top 100.
Will drop to #248?  that's a big drop.

Can not find Yang Xiaoxin's December, 2017 ranking.
ITTF database has problems.


Ugh...how could you call something rubbish yet don't even understand how the current one works?

She was last active in February and then went inactive. 4 months later, her name was greyed out in June. Another 4 months passed(8 months total), she was taken off the published World Ranking list at the end of October.

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+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

......if you play fewer events in order to stay fresh and relatively injury free, then you will be seeded lower in tournaments and require tougher matches against top seeds in order to win prize money. AND there's no guarantee your historic reputation will carry you through these many rounds to the finals...

Very important note ....


There are significant bonuses for WTTC and WTTTC performance.   The mainnthing is to play 8 events.   8 events. You don't have tonolay every event but your last 8 will count.   Ma Long has dropped because he only has 7 and that was mostly because if the China national games and the upsets at the World Cup.

ITTF cannot sell the tour reliably if they cannot guarantee that the best players have a strong incentive to play.
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For other TT fans' opinion (currently the thread has 5 pages, doesn't take long to read them.)
Start out with page 2:


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

For other TT fans' opinion (currently the thread has 5 pages, doesn't take long to read them.)
Start out with page 2:

It helps to know some of the people who are posting but I won't get into it.  Suffice it to say that no one criticizing the new system is interested in the ITTF's attempt to get the top players to play more and make the tour more professional by selling it.  If you are only interested in accuracy of measuring  player strength, in the current day and age, we can all make ELO based systems like ratings central on our home computers.


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In women's single, Gu Yuting (No. 14, WR 32) has "WL" behind her name.
WL means Waiting List.
Why she has "WL" behind her name?
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A separate question about WL historical situation: (I did not monitor this.)
Were most players with WL ended up playing in the tournament?  (Means accepted.)
Were most players with WL ended up NOT being able to play the tournament? (Not accepted.)

Or somewhere in between?



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(W.L.)......(Not accepted.)



Chen Xintong won Hungary Open in January 2017 ...
The results of Hungary Open 2018 will be taken into account in the rating for February 2018 ...
Possible highs for young Chinese women:
If the winner of Wang Manyu-she will be able to overtake Ito and Hirano .....
If the winner is Chen Xintong - she will remain in the top 10, but below ....
If the winner is Sun Yingsha - she will rise to the top 30 ...
If the winner is Gu Yuting - top 20....

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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

(W.L.)......(Not accepted.) 
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Long before tournament starts, some players have "W.L." behind the name in the entry list.
If it is "Not Accepted", why not indicates so.  No need to have W.L. behind the name.

I don't believe, long before a tournament starts players with W.L. means "Not accepted."

So, when the tournament actually starts, some players with W.L. may actually play.

I really don't know.



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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

(W.L.)......(Not accepted.)
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WL (or W.L.) stands for Waiting List.
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ITTF limits the number of singles players to be 6 players per gender per Association.
6 men and 6 women.
Any association sends more than 6 players per gender, the extra players will have WL behind their names.
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But in actuality if they show up, they all can play.

History (or proof):  In the past, many ITTF's tournaments, Japan sent plane-load of players.
Some of the tourneys, Japan's seeded women players were more than 6 --- like 8 or 9.
They all got to play including unseeded Japanese women players.

My guess is that this Hungarian Open will be the same:  Any player with WL behind his/her name will be able to play, if the player shows up. (Lots of players from China have WL behind their names - they all will be allowed to play.)




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so from one side ITTF wants players participate more tournaments and from other side they limit 6 players per Association. so only high rating players have chance to pay.
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

so from one side ITTF wants players participate more tournaments and from other side they limit 6 players per Association. so only high rating players have chance to pay.

I think they want TOP players to play more tournaments, to make sure fans are entertained/engaged etc. But yeah, there is a bit of contradiction, perhaps driven by tournament logistics - how many players Hungary Open can accept and still run on schedule?
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

so from one side ITTF wants players participate more tournaments and from other side they limit 6 players per Association. so only high rating players have chance to pay.

That's where tournament tiers come into play.

Many players who entered the World Tour should in fact be going for the Challenge Series instead.
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The concluded 2017 German Open, the prospectus indicated that it limits the number of singles players to be 6 players per gender per association. (6 men and 6 women).

If you look at how many Japanese female players who actually played.
There were 13 (in regular age event, not U21).  That's far more than 6.


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Yang Xiaoxin (WR #248, Jan. 2018), darn, she is going to kick lots of asses.
WR #248?  Oh well, that's unreal.

Unless she runs into some Chinese players early on, Yang Xiaoxin can go pretty far.


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

The concluded 2017 German Open, the prospectus indicated that it limits the number of singles players to be 6 players per gender per association. (6 men and 6 women).

If you look at how many Japanese female players who actually played.
There were 13 (in regular age event, not U21).  That's far more than 6.





You couldn't have missed this line in the prospectus.
Quote Additional entries will be put on a waiting list and accepted depending of the total number of entries.
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Expect most of the players with "WL" (behind their names) will get to play, if not all.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Expect most of the players with "WL" (behind their names) will get to play, if not all.

Which is exactly what zeio is saying - explains how one can have more than 6 players from the same federation. It's a soft constraint, enforced only when there are more applications than available spots in the tournament. 
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As of this writing, there are currently 409 total entries, of which 346 have been approved. The upper limit for this level of tournament is 290. That means they are overbooked by 56 entries.

For German Open, the total entries were 265, with a limit of 230, over by 35.

For Swedish Open, it was 280 against 260.

Given this, the chance of those on the WL playing is really low.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

As of this writing, there are currently 409 total entries, of which 346 have been approved. The upper limit for this level of tournament is 290. That means they are overbooked by 56 entries.

For German Open, the total entries were 265, with a limit of 230, over by 35.

For Swedish Open, it was 280 against 260.

Given this, the chance of those on the WL playing is really low.

European players find it easier to play in European events - it will be interesting to see how many of them travel when the Asian circuit begins...
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Considering the WTTTC will be held at the end of next April, Qatar Open and German Open will be flooded, 100%, given they give out so many points.

Also expect a full house for Challenge Series such as Polish Open, Spanish Open, Slovenia Open and Croatia Open. 2 of them count as 1 World Tour Platinum. 4 of them should still be cheaper than attending 2 Asian stops. Best of all, they are all held before the WTTTC. Even better, Qatar Open and Polish Open are held back to back.

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World Tour Platinum - 1x
World Tour - .8x
Challenge Series - .5x
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Those sitting at the ITTF headquarter:


That's got to be the ugliest World Ranking list for China in decades, with DN clocking in at the 21st place!

Notable players who soared past the pack:

Top 10
FTW at 3(up by 8),
Doo Hoi Kem at 9(up by 10),

Top 20
Lee Ho Ching at 12(up by 13),
Matilda Ekholm at 20(up by 20),
Yang Haeun at 27(up by 17),

Top 30
Soo Wai Yam at 30(up by 22),
Zhang Mo at 33(up by 28),
Maki Shiomi at 35(up by 16),
Adriana Diaz at 37(up by 44),
Dina Meshref at 39(up by 61),

Top 40
Bernadette Szocs at 41(up by 16),
Viktoria Pavlovich at 42(up by 29),
Miyu Maeda at 43(up by 21),
Cheng Hsien-Tzu at 44(up by 23),
Hana Matelova at 47(up by 60),
Suthasini Sawettabut at 48(up by 24),
Polina Mikhailova at 49(up by 13).

Edited by zeio - 01/01/2018 at 12:36pm
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

(W.L.)......(Not accepted.)



Chen Xintong won Hungary Open in January 2017 ...
The results of Hungary Open 2018 will be taken into account in the rating for February 2018 ...
Possible highs for young Chinese women:
If the winner of Wang Manyu-she will be able to overtake Ito and Hirano .....
If the winner is Chen Xintong - she will remain in the top 10, but below ....
If the winner is Sun Yingsha - she will rise to the top 30 ...
If the winner is Gu Yuting - top 20....
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Hello Zeio: The draw for WTTTC will be held 27.february. They will use the february team ranking for the draw. Sweden men are nr 9, and will only have Hungarian open to fix their ranking, if I read the regulations correct. 
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Thanks for the heads up. The draw is really early this time around. A little more than 2 months ahead(4/29-5/6). 2 days after the World Team Cup. That's abnormal.

The draw for 2016 was on 1/16, a little less than 1.5 months ahead(2/28-3/6).

For 2014, it was on 3/15, a little less than 1.5 months ahead again(4/28-5/5).

For 2012, it was on 2/23, just a little over 1 month ahead(3/25-4/1).

For 2010, it was originally on 4/20, but was postponed to 4/28 due to volcanic eruptions in Iceland which disrupted air traffic across much of Europe. Again, roughly a little over 1 month ahead(5/23-5/30).

Either way, Ovtcharov has expressed he will play at Qatar and German Open.
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A small correction:
The rumours are that they will publish the march world ranking 26.february. It will include Europe top 16 and Team World Cup. The seeding may change!
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That sounds more sensible. Keep us posted.
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2018 ITTF World Team Cup
22-25.2.2018 London,England...

The compositions of the teams of China and Japan ...Curious..Smile
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Several players canceled and Niu Guankai and a few others from other associations got in the U21 event.

Edited by zeio - 01/05/2018 at 2:20am
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Li Xiaoxia is still in the world ranking at n° 223 :)))
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