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These players are strong players, but will play in the Qualification Groups:

Liu Jia
Li Qian
Yang Xiaoxin (ITTF new world-ranking, 248.)
Sun Yingsha

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Videos of Yang Xiaoxin (#248) in various ITTF events finals.

https://youtu.be/l_QBvEktUQA

https://youtu.be/yLUtdqOMbkk

https://youtu.be/qOuLf1Npp10

(The 3 players that Yang played have the new ITTF world ranking of:  20, 35, and 600.)



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Before Hungarian Open:  Player name/World ranking/Ranking points.

Lee Ho Ching/9/11245, DOO Hoi Kem/11/11229, Sun Yingsha/52/6075, Yang Xiaoxin/248/1440

Sun Yingsha is 5170 ranking points behind Lee Ho Ching.

Yang Xiaoxin is 9805 ranking points behind Lee Ho Ching.

(For Yang Xiaoxin, 9805 ranking points is a lot of ground to make up.)



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All the Chinese women who were declared as "WL" - do not play?
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:

All the Chinese women who were declared as "WL" - do not play?
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zeio is right this time.
I remember, quite a while ago in a world-tour, Japan had far more than 6 players in women singles.

May be earlier ITTF did not enforce the rule, with this new ITTF ranking system they just started enforcing the rule.  I recall that Japan used to send a plane-load of players - sometimes more than host country, all of them got to play.


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this limit on no. of players to participate in tournaments that count towards "ranking" together with the new system could be more effective than any previous ITTF move to under reflect the true abilities of the Chinese players.  Imagine that a country in true strength has 25 players in the the top 30 - ability wise but is limited to 6 players per such tournaments - how could this country possibly keep all these players in the top 30?

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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

this limit on no. of players to participate in tournaments that count towards "ranking" could be more effective than any previous ITTF move to under reflect the true abilities of the Chinese players.  Imagine that a country in true strength has 25 players in the the top 30 - ability wise but is limited to 6 players per such tournaments - how could this country possibly keep all these players in the top 30?


interesting....Wink
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

this limit on no. of players to participate in tournaments that count towards "ranking" together with the new system could be more effective than any previous ITTF move to under reflect the true abilities of the Chinese players.  Imagine that a country in true strength has 25 players in the the top 30 - ability wise but is limited to 6 players per such tournaments - how could this country possibly keep all these players in the top 30?


Under the new system no country can have 25 of the top 30 rankings, even if they have the 25 top players ability wise. There just aren't enough ranking points to share among them, due to the limited amount of spots per tournament. This is the point of the new system.
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Also no separation of Associations (country) in the Qualification and First round in the Main Draw.



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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

this limit on no. of players to participate in tournaments that count towards "ranking" together with the new system could be more effective than any previous ITTF move to under reflect the true abilities of the Chinese players.  Imagine that a country in true strength has 25 players in the the top 30 - ability wise but is limited to 6 players per such tournaments - how could this country possibly keep all these players in the top 30?


Under the new system no country can have 25 of the top 30 rankings, even if they have the 25 top players ability wise. There just aren't enough ranking points to share among them, due to the limited amount of spots per tournament. This is the point of the new system.

you are saying a main intend of this new system is to limit the number of players in the top spots even if they truly deserve to be there ability wise?  This would usually be called a conspiracy (or a similar but lesser term).
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

you are saying a main intend of this new system is to limit the number of players in the top spots even if they truly deserve to be there ability wise?  This would usually be called a conspiracy (or a similar but lesser term).


Well some people think it just encourages people to play so not a conspiracy. This goes along the same line as when they reduced from 3 spots to 2 for Olympic singles, so that other countries can have a shot at the bronze medal. Mr current No. 1 benefitted from that in 2012. Imagine if Ma Long had played singles along with Wang Hao and ZJK, could he still have won the bronze?   

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Way too early to tell whether or not this encourages participation of top players, but despite the opportunity to gain ranking points, there's no Ma Long, Xu Xin, Lin Gaoyuan, Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, or Zhu Yuling.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Way too early to tell whether or not this encourages participation of top players, but despite the opportunity to gain ranking points, there's no Ma Long, Xu Xin, Lin Gaoyuan, Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, or Zhu Yuling.
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Hungarian open is just a World Tour, does not command a lot of ranking points.
World Tour Platinum (Qatar Open and German Open) command much greater ranking points.

Expect the Chinese top players will be there.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Way too early to tell whether or not this encourages participation of top players, but despite the opportunity to gain ranking points, there's no Ma Long, Xu Xin, Lin Gaoyuan, Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, or Zhu Yuling.
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Hungarian open is just a World Tour, does not command a lot of ranking points.
World Tour Platinum (Qatar Open and German Open) command much greater ranking points.

Expect the Chinese top players will be there.

Platinum tours have 25% more ranking points than non-platinum.  
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Yu Ziyang lost to GERASSIMENKO Kirill.
In qualification group 19.

His future is very much in doubt.


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Young player to watch:  Lin Yun-Ju (TPE).
In U21, Lin beat China's Nu Guankai.
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Just learned that Lin Yun-Ju would play NG Pak Nam on table 3.
The match should start shortly.
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It is over, you an watch the replay.


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Yu Ziyang lost to GERASSIMENKO Kirill.
In qualification group 19.

His future is very much in doubt.

There was once an insanely talented Yu Ziyang who had beautiful soft touch and 
wonderful over the table forehand.

This brute force Yu Ziyang tries to rip every single ball for a winner. Who forced him to play like this?
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

This brute force Yu Ziyang tries to rip every single ball for a winner. Who forced him to play like this?


Plastic ball is the one to blame.

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Moregard Truls, the crowd favourite wonderkid, just conceded to WR163 guy from nowhere PUR.   Table Tennis is a popular sport in jungle?
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WR944 losing to WR134 3:0 sounds about right.
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Moregard Truls, the crowd favourite wonderkid, just conceded to WR163 guy from nowhere PUR.   Table Tennis is a popular sport in jungle?
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However, Moregard Truls advanced from the Qualification Group to Preliminary Round.
The player who beat Moregard did not advance, due to tie-breaker.
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Table 2:  Liu vs Gionis should be a good match to watch.
Live now.
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Table 4:  Truls vs Achanta.


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Truls beat Achanta (preliminary round).
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Women Singles Main Draw is now available.

Chen Meng, top seed, position 1. (top half).
Sun Yingsha, position 26. (bottom half).
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Yang Xiaoxin, from qualification, WR 248.
Will play against:
Doo Hoi Kem, 3rd seed, WR 11.
(ITTF's rankings put these two players very far apart, but Ratings Central has their ratings pretty close.)


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Tough opening round matchup for host nation's Georgina Pota.  She draws Sun Yingsha.  Not too sure, but I think that had the world rankings been more reflective of playing ability, SYS would have drawn a weaker/lower ranked opponent.  Georgina Pota a victim of the participation vs. ability favored rankings?
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Pitchford VS Pletea was a very entertaining match from the qualifying rounds.
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close match between Karlsson and Kirill
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