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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Wang Chuqin vs Chuang Chih-Yuan.
Should be an interesting match.

A promising young rising star against an experienced proven world top player.
Wang Chuqin, a lefty, has a powerful back-hand.

12:30 noon US Eastern, Table 1.

Clap good spotting sir!

WCQ just beat CCY 4-0.  Impressive. Can he make it to the finals?  Will be very interesting to watch his development.
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WCQ just beat CCY 4-0.  Impressive. Can he make it to the finals?  Will be very interesting to watch his development. 
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Since he beat CCY, WCQ is one of the world top players now.

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Since the day I saw that video that a Seattle friend André had sent me earlier that day, I have been following WCQ. he is bound to dominate: so much fluidity can only mean talent AND love of the game. 
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

<p ="msonormal"="">Wang Chuqin vs Chuang Chih-Yuan.
Should be an interesting match.



<p ="msonormal"="">A promising young rising star against an experienced proven
world top player.
Wang Chuqin, a lefty, has a powerful back-hand.



<p ="msonormal"="">12:30 noon US Eastern, Table 1.

Clap good spotting sir!


WCQ just beat CCY 4-0.  Impressive. Can he make it to the finals?  Will be very interesting to watch his development.



Chuqin shows very high level in this tournament. he definitely should be in world top 10. for sure not 391 he is right now
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Since the day I saw that video that a Seattle friend André had sent me earlier that day, I have been following WCQ. he is bound to dominate: so much fluidity can only mean talent AND love of the game. 


Poor loopers. They lost their whole potency because of this damned plastic.
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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

The ittf ranking is a farce...It all depends on how diligent these players participate in ittf tournaments.

Do you have a better idea on how to do ITTF rankings if not participation in ITTF tournaments?
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It turned out ITTF got a better idea - but it is rubbish.

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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

WCQ just beat CCY 4-0.  Impressive. Can he make it to the finals?  Will be very interesting to watch his development. 
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WCQ will have to be able to beat Liu Dingshuo to reach the final.
Liu Dingshuo is not that easy to beat.
The chance is probably 50/50.
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Groth played very well then lost the plot and started playing faster.
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Does Hugo make a face every time that he receives a return?Smile
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WCQ had an impressive performance against Chen Chien-An.  
4-0.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

WCQ just beat CCY 4-0.  Impressive. Can he make it to the finals?  Will be very interesting to watch his development. 
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WCQ will have to be able to beat Liu Dingshuo to reach the final.
Liu Dingshuo is not that easy to beat.
The chance is probably 50/50.

I think on paper Liu is clear favorite to beat Wang in the semis. 

 But then again Liu has had a tough few rounds to get there. So he may be a bit fatigued. 
 On the plus side, Liu is not nervous and stiff anymore, he is flowing and giving it his all.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

WCQ had an impressive performance against Chen Chien-An.  
4-0.
A mismatch. 
 Chen was tight, nervous, and (I think) had no real game plan against the fellow lefty.

Wang had the balance of power from both sides. 
And under pressure, Chen couldn't forehand loop strong.

He gamely tried backhand backhand rallies to try to pin Wang, but for Wang those rallies are everyday practice hall level. 

He also tried going down the "middle road", but Wang's forehand loop was devastating there.

So for Wang, a more or less routine win.
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Does Hugo make a face every time that he receives a return?Smile

Calderano has the deepest squat in table tennis when receiving. 
 Kucharski is the only other one I can think of...
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Wang Manyu just outlasted Chen Xintong. What a match with such high quality and fast pace!

Wang seemed just wanted this game a little bit more than Chen. Chen played great as well.

Watching these two girls fighting each other and the quality of the shots throughout the match, one can easily see there is still quite some catch up for Japanese women's team.  

The other semi match seems an outmatch and not very exciting. 


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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

WCQ had an impressive performance against Chen Chien-An.  
4-0.
A mismatch. 
 Chen was tight, nervous, and (I think) had no real game plan against the fellow lefty.

Wang had the balance of power from both sides. 
And under pressure, Chen couldn't forehand loop strong.

He gamely tried backhand backhand rallies to try to pin Wang, but for Wang those rallies are everyday practice hall level. 

He also tried going down the "middle road", but Wang's forehand loop was devastating there.

So for Wang, a more or less routine win.
 Clap great analysis as usual, thanks
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Hugo played a brilliant second set but, as almost every non-chinese player, he couldn´t keep the momentum. This is what make chinese players (at least the top ones) so special, they don´t lose concentration.
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The men's double final was a slaughter...
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6 titles on the offer, only U-21 Men's singles is captured by a non-CNT player - Lin Yun-Ju (TPE).
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The women's final was the highest level played I have ever seen in the sport. Don't think Wang is better than Sun or Chen though, she has has more experience and exposure. One of the very few times where the women's final was more exciting and entertaining than Men's.
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

The women's final was the highest level played I have ever seen in the sport. Don't think Wang is better than Sun or Chen though, she has has more experience and exposure. One of the very few times where the women's final was more exciting and entertaining than Men's.

IMHO, Wang has the biggest forehand of the three. She is significantly ahead there. Against Chinese opposition she is not always able to use it, as they try to pin her to the backhand with fast backhand backhand exchanges.

Sun has a great wristy backhand, probably the best of the three by a tiny bit. The forehand is definitely not as strong as Wang.

Nothing wrong with Chen Xintong either. Damn good in everything.
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Is it true all CNT's 5 gold medal winners are under 21 years old?
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

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IMHO, Wang has the biggest forehand of the three. She is significantly ahead there. Against Chinese opposition she is not always able to use it, as they try to pin her to the backhand with fast backhand backhand exchanges.
Sun has a great wristy backhand, probably the best of the three by a tiny bit. The forehand is definitely not as strong as Wang.
Nothing wrong with Chen Xintong either. Damn good in everything.
I think all three are technically pretty even. Wang was sent to tournament as early as 2013, I remember in Korea open she almost took out Feng Tianwei. That was quite a few years ago. She is most likely older too. My money is on Chen Xingtong, most solid of three from what I see. 
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

The women's final was the highest level played I have ever seen in the sport. Don't think Wang is better than Sun or Chen though, she has has more experience and exposure. One of the very few times where the women's final was more exciting and entertaining than Men's.


That time out in the 6th game when Sun led 3-2 in the games and 3-0 was the key of that match. Great timing from Wang !
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VladCeller:

How much Sun Yingsha's world ranking will improve (currently #52)?
She reached final, but lost to Wang Manyu in the final.

If her ranking is not improved a great deal, she will have to play in the qualification group
again in her next tournament.  (This can hurt other promising player.  This time Pota Georgina got hurt.)
Not sure if you can do a rough estimate of Sun Yingsha's world ranking.

Thanks.


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Prior to the Hungarian Open she's only had 3 results in the past 12 months totalling 6075 points. As runner up in a non platinum tour she gets 1620 points for a total of 7695 points. Currently Adriana Diaz has 7545 points and is ranked 37. Yu Fu has 7800 points and is ranked 36. So right around that area. I haven't calculated the points for the other participants in the Hungarian Open so things can change a bit but this gives you a rough idea.

She's only had 4 tournaments in the past 12 months and will need at least 4 more before her ranking is back to where it should be.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Prior to the Hungarian Open she's only had 3 results in the past 12 months totalling 6075 points. As runner up in a non platinum tour she gets 1620 points for a total of 7695 points. Currently Adriana Diaz has 7545 points and is ranked 37. Yu Fu has 7800 points and is ranked 36. So right around that area. I haven't calculated the points for the other participants in the Hungarian Open so things can change a bit but this gives you a rough idea.

She's only had 4 tournaments in the past 12 months and will need at least 4 more before her ranking is back to where it should be.
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Yes ... I have the same preliminary calculation ....
One can only add that Yingsha is not declared for February in London, unlike Manyu and Xintong ...
And so far, if I'm not mistaken, China has not declared the composition in Qatar Open ...
(Japan, for example, the composition of its team has published .... It is curious that only 8 women, top 6 plus top-young ..)
If ITTF really insists strictly on the limit, it will be equally bad for both China and Japan ...

Sorry....

China has included 16 women in the team ... Including Mu Zi and Hu Limei .....Question
And 12 women in Open Germany (there is no top-4 ...)


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