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Looks like Shi Xunyao can overpower Soma Yumeno.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Looks like Shi Xunyao can overpower Soma Yumeno.


She has probably trained against choppers and after her teammate lost, they probably prepared her very hard.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I am 95% sure it is on youtube, just look at the link I posted it is at an earlier point in the livestream. I will find it if I get a chance.
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The match of Kanak Jha vs Yu Heyi should be in "Table 1, Day 7 Afternoon". See link below.
But it is not, ITTF screwed up somewhere.
(Adriana Diaz vs Soma Yumeno should be in that link too, but it is not.)

Something is amiss.




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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I am 95% sure it is on youtube, just look at the link I posted it is at an earlier point in the livestream. I will find it if I get a chance.
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The match of Kanak Jha vs Yu Heyi should be in "Table 1, Day 7 Afternoon". See link below.
But it is not, ITTF screwed up somewhere.
(Adriana Diaz vs Soma Yumeno should be in that link too, but it is not.)

Something is amiss.


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Thank you very much, I don't know how could I miss it when I got the link right.
Not only Kanak's match is in there, Adriana's match as well.

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With NextLevel's help, found two interesting matches (if someone is interested.)

Adriana Diaz vs Soma Yumeno
(You can see here that Soma is a darn good chopper with a deadly BH.)
https://youtu.be/PEnQUwStTyE?t=7976 
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Xu Haidong will play Uda Yukiya in the final.
Yukiya already beat 2 Chinese players.

Will he be able to do it, three in a row?
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I am 95% sure it is on youtube, just look at the link I posted it is at an earlier point in the livestream. I will find it if I get a chance.
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The match of Kanak Jha vs Yu Heyi should be in "Table 1, Day 7 Afternoon". See link below.
But it is not, ITTF screwed up somewhere.
(Adriana Diaz vs Soma Yumeno should be in that link too, but it is not.)

Something is amiss.


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Thank you very much, I don't know how could I miss it when I got the link right.
Not only Kanak's match is in there, Adriana's match as well.


I think Youtube only keeps 4 hours of history during live streaming and updates with the full history later.  So you guys were not hallucinating - it wasn't there when you looked.
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Li Qian Magnificent

Ms. SOMA of Japan is an inferior copy of Mrs. Li Qian, Europe Champion 2018.

https://www.laola1.tv/en-int/video/ws-szocs-bernadette-rou-li-qian-pol-len


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I think Youtube only keeps 4 hours of history during live streaming and updates with the full history later.  So you guys were not hallucinating - it wasn't there when you looked.
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That's something good to know.  I knew it should be in it, and I looked at it twice and didn't see it.
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igorponger (see his post above), for no reason, just threw mud on the face of a promising young Japanese player.
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In case anyone missed the finals, here is the replay link.
(I watched the semi finals, but missed the finals. Had to go to sleep.)

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Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.

Xu's coach is also annoying.
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.
This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate
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Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.
This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate

'Cause he behaved like Hirimoto in the match. lol
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Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.

This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate


If you see other matches of xu against other players he s not screaming like HT You wont see as many negative comments about any player like harimoto in youtube and is well deserved, in argetina all the people were talking about this. the only player who was very annoying was lin gaoyuan when he was a kid

Uda is the best japanese player i ve seen very solid play away and close to the table amazing serve s and I dont know how shi lost yingbin is a real powerful player yu heyi is a not at the same level as xiang and xu

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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.

This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate


If you see other matches of xu against other players he s not screaming like HT You wont see as many negative comments about any player like harimoto in youtube and is well deserved, in argetina all the people were talking about this. the only player who was very annoying was lin gaoyuan when he was a kid

Uda is the best japanese player i ve seen very solid play away and close to the table amazing serve s and I dont know how shi lost yingbin is a real powerful player yu heyi is a not at the same level as xiang and xu

Uda needs to improve his service return. He lost way too many points to Xu's serves.


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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.

This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate


If you see other matches of xu against other players he s not screaming like HT You wont see as many negative comments about any player like harimoto in youtube and is well deserved, in argetina all the people were talking about this. the only player who was very annoying was lin gaoyuan when he was a kid

Uda is the best japanese player i ve seen very solid play away and close to the table amazing serve s and I dont know how shi lost yingbin is a real powerful player yu heyi is a not at the same level as xiang and xu
Agree about Uda. The match could have really gone either way. Uda had 2 gamepoints in the 1st set, then he took the 3rd and was leading by a lot in the 4th but unfortunately he choked in these crucial moments. I feel that Uda probably has the best forehand in the entire JNT including seniors like Mizutani, Matsudaira, Niwa.
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.

Xu's coach is also annoying.


How exactly was the coach annoying? Did he yell during or in between the points? I don't think so.

BTW, he reminded me of Qiu Yike... was it really him or did he just look like the guy?
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.


Xu's coach is also annoying.


How exactly was the coach annoying? Did he yell during or in between the points? I don't think so.

BTW, he reminded me of Qiu Yike... was it really him or did he just look like the guy?


Xu s coach is lin zhigang he played worlds in 1995 also I spotted yan sen also
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.

Xu's coach is also annoying.


How exactly was the coach annoying? Did he yell during or in between the points? I don't think so.

BTW, he reminded me of Qiu Yike... was it really him or did he just look like the guy?

He shout along with Xu after each point scored. Also heard him coaching loudly between points (I know it's allowed by the new rule but still...).
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.


Xu's coach is also annoying.


How exactly was the coach annoying? Did he yell during or in between the points? I don't think so.

BTW, he reminded me of Qiu Yike... was it really him or did he just look like the guy?


Xu s coach is lin zhigang he played worlds in 1995 also I spotted yan sen also

Really? Deng Yaping's hudband?
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.


Xu's coach is also annoying.


How exactly was the coach annoying? Did he yell during or in between the points? I don't think so.

BTW, he reminded me of Qiu Yike... was it really him or did he just look like the guy?


Xu s coach is lin zhigang he played worlds in 1995 also I spotted yan sen also


Really? Deng Yaping's hudband?


Yes doesnt look as old like yan sen who is younger
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I see Xu Hai Dong's coach in the final was Wang Jian Jun, an old time penholder who played in Europe for many years. Best known for his role as Ryu Seung Min clone switching to Jpen in his prime. 
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Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

I see Xu Hai Dong's coach in the final was Wang Jian Jun, an old time penholder who played in Europe for many years. Best known for his role as Ryu Seung Min clone switching to Jpen in his prime. 


Oh yes. I was confused. I m looking for the match uda -xu yingbing

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What you guys think about this player: Soma Yumeno 
(We all know that Soma lost to Shi Xunyao.)

https://youtu.be/PEnQUwStTyE?t=7976 
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

What you guys think about this player: Soma Yumeno 
(We all know that Soma lost to Shi Xunyao.)

https://youtu.be/PEnQUwStTyE?t=7976 
She's a fine player and seems to be on the same track as Hitomi Sato.  Like most defenders she's very consistent.  Good backhand attack. But her game is well understood so I think a ceiling of WR 15-30 seems reasonable.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

What you guys think about this player: Soma Yumeno 
(We all know that Soma lost to Shi Xunyao.)

https://youtu.be/PEnQUwStTyE?t=7976 
She's a fine player and seems to be on the same track as Hitomi Sato.  Like most defenders she's very consistent.  Good backhand attack. But her game is well understood so I think a ceiling of WR 15-30 seems reasonable.
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Great assessment.
Defensive players can hardly reach a high ITTF ranking.
The highest ranked female defender is Suh Hyowon (KOR) who only has a WR of #11.
(The game these days favor two-wing loop attackers.)

Sato Hitomi (WR #14) is a much stronger player (but older), agree with you that they go the same route.
Soma is still young (16 years old) should have room to improve.
Her DOB:  8-17-2002 

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Lee Eunhye (WR 130) vs Yumeno Soma (WR 128)
https://youtu.be/h-2zJ6DD1WA


Solja Amelie (WR 75) vs Soma Yumeno (WR 128).    (Reportedly Solja uses anti rubber.)



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Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.
This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate

You should be fair in assessing players and come on now, there are plenty of negative comments on Chinese players in this forum.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pipboy76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/10/2018 at 4:07am
Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Finished both boys and girls finals.

Didn’t like Xu much, he’s a screamer like Harimoto. He can’t simply overpowers against other pro players like he did against junior players.

Like Uda a lot, he’s probably the only Japanese player that can go toe to toe on FH against Chinese player in a long time.

Xiang is also very promising, he’s only 15 but great fundamentals all around, just need more development.

I do believe both Xu and Uda can beat Harimoto in his current form.
This is maybe the first time i've seen a negative comment about a chinese player. Usually they always get praised and other players like Harimoto and some other non chinese players are the ones who get hate

You should be fair in assessing players and come on now, there are plenty of negative comments on Chinese players in this forum.  
Well if there are i didn't see any. at least this forum doesn't seem to be as bad as TTD forum where people there just nonstop worshipping the chinese players and they get pissed off at anyone who says one single bad thing about them.


Edited by pipboy76 - 12/10/2018 at 4:09am
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