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Just for fun, I'm going to predict an upset. Shin Yubin will beat Miyu Kato tomorrow.  She's very young, but she has been playing great. She's the future of Korean women's table tennis.
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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

<div style="text-align: left;">Watch several big ITTF opens and it becomes same scenarios again and again. First two days, we see best US players lost before main draw (top 32). in last two days, it shows Japan or Taiwan players inch closer to Chinese army. But they will lose in the end. Then China got most gold medals and repeat. I bet it will be true again this time.



Just enjoy watching games. What the matter who get medals? You blame chinese players they better becaouse they train very hard?
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Why blame them? They deserve it.  As an audience, we would like to see American player won sometimes and would like to see non-chinese underdog players won sometimes. But surprise seldom comes true. 

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

<div style="text-align: left;">Watch several big ITTF opens and it becomes same scenarios again and again. First two days, we see best US players lost before main draw (top 32). in last two days, it shows Japan or Taiwan players inch closer to Chinese army. But they will lose in the end. Then China got most gold medals and repeat. I bet it will be true again this time.



Just enjoy watching games. What the matter who get medals? You blame chinese players they better becaouse they train very hard?
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Your argument is only half right. True, WCT has bad loss. But I remember he is in main draw (top 32) several times. But for Kanak, except Pan-Am, I have never seen him in main draw. (Only for 2019 )
His rating jump is because of Pan-Am america alone.  He got at least 1000 point from that event. 

PS: I don't check all histories. This is based on my memory. 


Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

And wct lost to yuto muramatsu 2:3 in the t league who has no ittf ranking. 
He also lost to Cho Daeseong and An Ji Song (twice)
in the last 12 months. That is 4 matches wct lost to guys outside the top 200 just on top of my head. 
If kanak has not justified his high ranking, has wct justified his top 20 ranking ?



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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

Your argument is only half right. True, WCT has bad loss. But I remember he is in main draw (top 32) several times. But for Kanak, except Pan-Am, I have never seen him in main draw. (Only for 2019 )
His rating jump is because of Pan-Am america alone.  He got at least 1000 point from that event. 

PS: I don't check all histories. This is based on my memory. 


Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

And wct lost to yuto muramatsu 2:3 in the t league who has no ittf ranking. 
He also lost to Cho Daeseong and An Ji Song (twice)
in the last 12 months. That is 4 matches wct lost to guys outside the top 200 just on top of my head. 
If kanak has not justified his high ranking, has wct justified his top 20 ranking ?


Wct does not need to play qualifications in all ittf tournaments,. He starts his first match in the round of 
32 by default, but he usually exits the tournament in his 1st or 2nd singles match . That is the advantage you get when you have a higher ranking.  He also get 1500 points for just participating in the world cup (even without winning a single match )
on the other hand  Kanak has to win  3 matches in a row just to get into the main draw because of his lower ranking. There are a lot of good chinese players playing these qualification matches as well,  so it is very tough for kanak to get into the main draw most of the time.


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Yes. That's true.

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

Your argument is only half right. True, WCT has bad loss. But I remember he is in main draw (top 32) several times. But for Kanak, except Pan-Am, I have never seen him in main draw. (Only for 2019 )
His rating jump is because of Pan-Am america alone.  He got at least 1000 point from that event. 

PS: I don't check all histories. This is based on my memory. 


Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

And wct lost to yuto muramatsu 2:3 in the t league who has no ittf ranking. 
He also lost to Cho Daeseong and An Ji Song (twice)
in the last 12 months. That is 4 matches wct lost to guys outside the top 200 just on top of my head. 
If kanak has not justified his high ranking, has wct justified his top 20 ranking ?


Wct does not need to play qualifications in all ittf tournaments,. He starts his first match in the round of 
32 by default, but he usually exits the tournament in his 1st or 2nd singles match . That is the advantage you get when you have a higher ranking.  He also get 1500 points for just participating in the world cup (even without winning a single match )
on the other hand  Kanak has to win  3 matches in a row just to get into the main draw because of his lower ranking. There are a lot of good chinese players playing these qualification matches as well,  so it is very tough for kanak to get into the main draw most of the time.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak will have a hard time to beat this guy. (It is just my opinion.)
Jha Kanak (WR, 27) vs Gerassimenko Kirill (WR, 72).
Wednesday 7:50 AM. Table # has not been assigned yet (will be available soon.)
looks like you have been waiting for kanak to slip up all the time so you can put him down with some hateful comments on this forum. (eg  : how he does not deserve his current ranking of # 27 ) 
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Nonsense.  I am an American, I like Kanak to win.
But Kanak is over-rated (or over-ranked if you will), he is not worth #27.

Aruna gnanasekaran have lower ranking  than kanak but they make more problems to the top players
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak will have a hard time to beat this guy. (It is just my opinion.)

Jha Kanak (WR, 27) vs Gerassimenko Kirill (WR, 72).
Wednesday 7:50 AM. Table # has not been assigned yet (will be available soon.)
FWIW, Kanak beat him at the 2018 World Team Table Tennis Championships
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Oops, I did not check it. You are right.
But prior to that, Kirill did beat Kanak once before.
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak will have a hard time to beat this guy. (It is just my opinion.)
Jha Kanak (WR, 27) vs Gerassimenko Kirill (WR, 72).
Wednesday 7:50 AM. Table # has not been assigned yet (will be available soon.)
looks like you have been waiting for kanak to slip up all the time so you can put him down with some hateful comments on this forum. (eg  : how he does not deserve his current ranking of # 27 ) 
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Nonsense.  I am an American, I like Kanak to win.
But Kanak is over-rated (or over-ranked if you will), he is not worth #27.

Aruna gnanasekaran have lower ranking  than kanak but they make more problems to the top players

aruna is ranked 19th, how is that lower ?Confused
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I meant assar 
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak will have a hard time to beat this guy. (It is just my opinion.)
Jha Kanak (WR, 27) vs Gerassimenko Kirill (WR, 72).
Wednesday 7:50 AM. Table # has not been assigned yet (will be available soon.)
looks like you have been waiting for kanak to slip up all the time so you can put him down with some hateful comments on this forum. (eg  : how he does not deserve his current ranking of # 27 ) 
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Nonsense.  I am an American, I like Kanak to win.
But Kanak is over-rated (or over-ranked if you will), he is not worth #27.

Aruna gnanasekaran have lower ranking  than kanak but they make more problems to the top players

aruna is ranked 19th, how is that lower ?Confused

Just like An jaehyun, Maharu, Gauzy, Jeong Youngsik , Pucar, CCY have lower rankings but cause problems to top players than wctConfused


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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Just for fun, I'm going to predict an upset. Shin Yubin will beat Miyu Kato tomorrow.  She's very young, but she has been playing great. She's the future of Korean women's table tennis.


It would be nice ... But in Sweden they already met, and the Korean woman lost 2: 4, unfortunately ....
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Now on Table 1:
Wu Yue vs Qian Tianyi
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Great win by Bruna Takahashi 4-3 over Sakura Mori
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Is 56 the new 30?

WIN NI Xia Lian LUX 8 12 11 11 11 4
HAMAMOTO Yui ^^ AUT 11 10 6 5 9 1

and 36 the new 25?

WIN SHAN Xiaona ^   GER 11 10 11 11 12 4
    SHIBATA Saki    JPN 7 12 6 8 10 1

Amazing job ladies!
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Kanak Jha (WR 27) vs Gerassimenko Kirill (WR 72):  Playing on Table 6. No video.
Hope Kanak wins.

Go Kanak, go Kanak.


Edited by skip3119 - 10/09/2019 at 8:08am
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak Jha vs Gerassimenko Kirill:  Playing on Table 6. No video.
Hope Kanak wins.

Go Kanak, go Kanak.

Not a good start, blew a 9-4 lead in the first set, now he's down 0-2, needs to make something happen or it's gonna be over quick.  
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Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak Jha vs Gerassimenko Kirill:  Playing on Table 6. No video.
Hope Kanak wins.
Go Kanak, go Kanak.
Not a good start, blew a 9-4 lead in the first set, now he's down 0-2, needs to make something happen or it's gonna be over quick.  
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The 3rd game, Kanak had a match point but unable to make it. He lost the 3rd game.
Now down 3 games in a row.
Hope he can take the next 4 games.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Kanak Jha vs Gerassimenko Kirill:  Playing on Table 6. No video.
Hope Kanak wins.
Go Kanak, go Kanak.
Not a good start, blew a 9-4 lead in the first set, now he's down 0-2, needs to make something happen or it's gonna be over quick.  
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The 3rd game, Kanak had a match point but unable to make it. He lost the 3rd game.
Now down 3 games in a row.
Hope he can take the next 4 games.

Yeah tough loss that too, he was down 0-4 to start, clawed his way to 10-8 and lost 12-10, I mean that's really hard to recover from.  Ah looks like it's over =[
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Jha Kanak vs Gerassimenko Kirill, 0-4.

Edited by skip3119 - 10/09/2019 at 8:32am
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Wang Chuqin lost the first game to Dyjas Jakub.
Live, table 2.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Wang Chuqin lost the first game to Dyjas Jakub.
Live, table 2.
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Dyjas Jakub won the first 2 games, but lost next 4.
WCQ won the match.
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Gustavo Tsuboi who Kanak beaten fairly consistently, just beat Zhao Zihao. Such is table tennis.
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Hi,

Cristian Pletea is a contemporary of Kanak Jha.  Cristian looked great against Xu of China.  Kanak is doing well, however he cannot play at Cristian's level now.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Cristian Pletea is a contemporary of Kanak Jha.  Cristian looked great against Xu of China.  Kanak is doing well, however he cannot play at Cristian's level now.

Thanks,

Recently, just before Pletea beat Harimoto, he beat Kanak deuce in the 7th.  You can dispute the evidence if you like that Kanak does play at Pletea's level.  Kanak has also take games off players like Ma Long and Lin Gaoyuan.  Not sure he looked great doing it but some thought so.

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So much disrespect to Kanak for benefiting in world ranking for being the best player on this continent, despite the fact he's had several worthy wins and held his own against some of the best. Why not so much outrage over Heming Hu, ranked 66, who poses zero threat to anyone in the top 150 if not more? 
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

So much disrespect to Kanak for benefiting in world ranking for being the best player on this continent, despite the fact he's had several worthy wins and held his own against some of the best. Why not so much outrage over Heming Hu, ranked 66, who poses zero threat to anyone in the top 150 if not more? 

Looking at the top 75, I see tons of players who arguably are no better than Kanak.
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no disrespect but simple arithmatic shows 27 is more than 2x when compared to 60 and almost 3 x compared to 75
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

So much disrespect to Kanak for benefiting in world ranking for being the best player on this continent, despite the fact he's had several worthy wins and held his own against some of the best. 
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I believe many people imagine in the parallel world they build in their confused heads that, because the American tt community is so small, they somehow are close to Kanak and therefore can talk and write about him like if he was their own game. They are the same kind of people who choose tt because America sucks at it and it makes them feel closer to the top. Then when an American becomes successful, the increased gap shivers their timber.

GO KANAK! 
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US team's games all end today with mixed double losing as expected. 
If Kanak can win, why we are not supporting him? This is not disrespect. By instinct, people always like the winner. 
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