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    Posted: 08/11/2019 at 10:27pm
Most top players are going to play except the top CNT players.

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China sends 6 male and 12 female players.
They are good players, but not China's top players.
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It's possible for me to watch live BG Open in last days and I will share my thoughts here Smile
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Probably Ovtcharov with Harimoto in final
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Probably Ovtcharov with Harimoto in final
Ovtcharov might lose to anyone atm. Don't forget those 6 CNT can eliminate any seeded players if they go through the qualification stage. 

Harimoto has not been deep in a tournament for a while. This might be the best chance for him to gain a little confidence.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

China sends 6 male and 12 female players.
They are good players, but not China's top players.

China's top players are spending August in Los Angeles and Hollywood.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

China sends 6 male and 12 female players.
They are good players, but not China's top players.


China's top players are spending August in Los Angeles and Hollywood.


They don't need to be top CNT to beat Dima.
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Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

China sends 6 male and 12 female players.
They are good players, but not China's top players.


China's top players are spending August in Los Angeles and Hollywood.


They don't need to be top CNT to beat Dima.


Sure, but can they beat Vladi?
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Already some Prelim. losses for CNT members:

Men:

WIN DRINKHALL Paul  ENG 11  8   11  11  11          4
    XUE Fei         CHN 9   11  9   9   9           1

WIN STANKEVICIUS Medardas   LTU 7   11  11  11  11  4
    ZHENG Peifeng           CHN 11  2   7   6   4   1

Women:

WIN KIM Byeolnim    KOR 11  7   7   11  1   11  11  4
    LI Jiayi        CHN 6   11  11  9   11  8   7   3

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Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

China sends 6 male and 12 female players.
They are good players, but not China's top players.


China's top players are spending August in Los Angeles and Hollywood.


They don't need to be top CNT to beat Dima.



Dima beat in a past chinese players. So don't be so sure
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Haven't heard this player before:  XIA Yizheng (CHN)
Don't know if he is a good player.
He is going to play Alexander Karakasevic on table 3 shortly.
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I saw Karakasevic about 12 years ago at a Killerspin event in Chicago. One of the best BH's in the game...
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Is the first stage now always knock-out format, or are groups still an option on the World Tour?
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Originally posted by acpoulos acpoulos wrote:

I saw Karakasevic about 12 years ago at a Killerspin event in Chicago. One of the best BH's in the game...


Not one of the best, but Best of the Best ever! Many times watched him at International games.
Too pity rest of the Serbian players are not even close to his level and talent.
After "Sale" (his nickname), I think best bh has Werner Schlager and next to them is Kreanga/Oh Sang...
13 years ago I had some hope for Peto Zolt or Bojan Crepulja, especially Bojan when I saw them on BG Open, but they still are far away the serious results. I am even surprised how Bojan crashed in ranking, I expected much more from him. But that's life.

About chinese players - tomorrow will see them.


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Also Stipancic, Gergely, Klampar, ... and mine was damn good!
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Originally posted by acpoulos acpoulos wrote:

Also Stipancic, Gergely, Klampar, ... and mine was damn good!


Agree with those three:
Stipancic, This was the classic high elbow backhand, he never had to push a serve if he didn't want to. Drove people who tried to third ball loop crazy. I would say he is the start of the modern spin backhand.
Gergely, this was a huge swing and very powerful. The only modern comparison is Kreanga, and even Kreanga didn't take as big a stroke as Gergely.
Klampar, closer to the table than either Gergely or Jonyer, his off-the-bounce topspin backhand looks more modern that the other two and wouldn't look out of place even today.
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Nice win for Hina Hayata!

    FENG Yalan  CHN 8   9   8   7       0
WIN HAYATA Hina JPN 11  11  11  11      4

She will be facing another CNT opponent today, Zhang Qiang.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Is the first stage now always knock-out format, or are groups still an option on the World Tour?

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84414&PID=1046956&title=changes-to-world-ranking-regulations-in-2019#1046956
Quote 6.2 World Tour Update
The ITTF Competition Director provided an update on the 2018 ITTF World Tours situation, highlighting that the ITTF World Tour average number of entries compared to the maximum number of allowed entries is 110%, which means that most of the events have higher demand than the current capacity. This shows that the decision to change the qualification system to only K.O. from 2019 on was a correct decision because it will allow more entries and ensure top player participation.
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HH has a world class forehand.  Her win percentage when she gets the first attack on her forehand must be very high.  Up 3-1, I hope she can close this out.
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Hayata has beaten 2 cnt players in this tournament. I have said it many times, if the Japan national team has any common sense Hayata should be the 2nd player picked for wttc and olympics. She is So much better than the likes of ishikawa , hitomi and Miyu.  

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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

HH has a world class forehand.  Her win percentage when she gets the first attack on her forehand must be very high.  Up 3-1, I hope she can close this out.

Yes she has, however I think she was quite close losing this match.
Her opponent, with penhold grip, was not able to return short.
That's the reason why XX is so strong, he can play very well in the short game and fix his opponent before crucify him with a big stroke.
Hayata's opponent always returned long...she should have lost 4-0 but Hayata forced too many times. Again her kamikaze game without any security.


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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

HH has a world class forehand.  Her win percentage when she gets the first attack on her forehand must be very high.  Up 3-1, I hope she can close this out.

Her serve and return of serve are also very good. She is a complete player.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Hayata has beaten 2 cnt players in this tournament. I have said it many times, if the Japan national team has any common sense Hayata should be the 2nd player picked for wttc and olympics. She is a So much better than the likes of ishikawa , hitomi and Miyu.  

hahahahaha, she is in the main tournament...that's already a big achievement for her who usually loses in the quali :)) If she wins this tournament, the next one and both T2 diamond (if she qualifies) and the grand finals, she will maybe be eligable for the second spot.


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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Is the first stage now always knock-out format, or are groups still an option on the World Tour?

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84414&PID=1046956&title=changes-to-world-ranking-regulations-in-2019#1046956
Quote 6.2 World Tour Update
The ITTF Competition Director provided an update on the 2018 ITTF World Tours situation, highlighting that the ITTF World Tour average number of entries compared to the maximum number of allowed entries is 110%, which means that most of the events have higher demand than the current capacity. This shows that the decision to change the qualification system to only K.O. from 2019 on was a correct decision because it will allow more entries and ensure top player participation.

Thanks - "only K.O." is brutal.

Only 2 European women survived the prelims: Han Ying and Shao Jieni... 
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I was hoping Paul Drinkhall would get past Zheng Peifeng which would have meant beating two CNT players.  He beat Due Fei earlier.  Still, he took him to 7 games.
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What is the hype about HH? She did play good sometimes, but there must be reasons that she still need to play the preliminary round at the moment. 
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

What is the hype about HH? She did play good sometimes, but there must be reasons that she still need to play the preliminary round at the moment. 
The reason is her WR is low so she doesn't geet a seed. And one of the reasons is inexplicably she isn't chosen by the JTTA to attend enough World Tours.  This despite having quite a bit of success (comparatively) against CNT players who we all know are extremely tough to get past. She's definitely a top 3 Japanese player, and though has no mathematical chance to get the Tokyo singles spot, I hope at least she gets the 3rd spot on the team.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

What is the hype about HH? She did play good sometimes, but there must be reasons that she still need to play the preliminary round at the moment. 

Well if she had made the WTTC, and played as well as Kato Miyu with the same draw, it would look very different.  She would be getting all the opportunities that Kato Miyu is getting for the most part.  That is the biggest reason.

A lot of things go into world ranking (look at Pitchford as an example, though he has the advantage of being the British #1).  Hayata is also unlucky to have had to face a lot of Chinese players in prelims throughout the year.  There have been some bad losses but none to bad players,  just upsets from tough Korean players. But all in all, her world ranking doesn't reflect her playing strength.  You could ask a similar question about Sun Yingsha up until recently.  In 6 months, maybe we will see Hayata differently. 
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Is the first stage now always knock-out format, or are groups still an option on the World Tour?

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84414&PID=1046956&title=changes-to-world-ranking-regulations-in-2019#1046956
Quote 6.2 World Tour Update
The ITTF Competition Director provided an update on the 2018 ITTF World Tours situation, highlighting that the ITTF World Tour average number of entries compared to the maximum number of allowed entries is 110%, which means that most of the events have higher demand than the current capacity. This shows that the decision to change the qualification system to only K.O. from 2019 on was a correct decision because it will allow more entries and ensure top player participation.

Thanks - "only K.O." is brutal.

Only 2 European women survived the prelims: Han Ying and Shao Jieni... 


I think European must be "European", looking the name of the players...
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

What is the hype about HH? She did play good sometimes, but there must be reasons that she still need to play the preliminary round at the moment. 

The hype is legitimate . How many players can consistently beat cnt players these day ? I can only think of Ito and Hayata capable of doing this right now. 
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