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ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

YMY played very well. ISHIKAWA was in a rush..
 

Ishikawa's returns were predictable. YMY's the game tactic was simple, serve short , send the ball to Ishikawa's BH long. Ishikawa always return the ball to the left or middle. YMY either stepped aside to use her FH or used her BH to send the ball to diagonal.
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ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

She shouldn't have been chosen over say Hina Hayata or even Miu Hirano....she never had the Japanese Bushido warrior spirit unlike the rest.
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Olympics table tennis is NOT the pinnacle most difficult to win tournament when you are selected to play but arguably the most difficult to gain entry because it normally takes place every four years and importantly if your Olympic association has many decent players you may be banned even though you are better than most others selected to enter. It is not an open tournament but a goodwill games for a few selected players from each continent even if some continents have a much lower performance standard. This is not the China Open as you do not have to play against new fresh talent with no ranking but has a good chance of beating most players globally. 

For Japan I believe Miu Hirano and Ishikawa are both equal second best Japanese ladies singles player. It is a shame that low ranked players with very little chance of making progress to later rounds are selected to play singles because they represent Olympic associations without any higher quality competitors. 
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

YMY played very well. ISHIKAWA was in a rush..
 

Ishikawa's returns were predictable. YMY's the game tactic was simple, serve short , send the ball to Ishikawa's BH long. Ishikawa always return the ball to the left or middle. YMY either stepped aside to use her FH or used her BH to send the ball to diagonal.
Half (??)of ISHIKAWA losing points were becasue ball was long. It seemed that she misreaded the YMY spin or what. It was like she had been playing nittaku premium 40+ 3* for few years, but the game ball was double fish 40+ Poly ball.


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FZD is in beast mode right now.

Yeah I thought it would be a tighter match but FZD proved why he is just superior in all departments 

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Hi,

Concerning the Harimoto/Jorgic match:

First and foremost, all regards and rewards to Jorgic for the match, a deserving win.

Essentially, Jorgic won the match by outplaying Harimoto.  Both played much very high level table tennis.

I saw no evidence of Harimoto "choking," using that term as it typically is used.  Harimoto was raised fundamentally as a responsive player, a quality he attained an impressive level.  With the enormous power in the game today, it is not a structure that will be successfully sustaining against a sufficiently proficient offensive player.  He is in need of an accelerated evolution that has short term downsides and long term upsides, an evolution to an offensive-based structure.

The Harimoto stance as mentioned by another poster is the perfect stance for a responsive player.  It is inadequate for the highest level executions in the sport.  In addition, it hampers a forehand-oriented readiness he clearly lacks and decidedly needs today.

Harimoto's spirit of play in key circumstances inclines to the responsive, whereas others, such as Jorgic are striving for a more decisive control over the point.  As an example, while both are backhand-positioned, backhand-footwork structured, Jorgic is far more of the spirit to attempt point winning shots upon perceived opportunities than Harimoto.

My primary mis-anticipation of Harimoto for these Olympics was based upon the assumption of a maturation of his game in the long Pandemic interlude that afforded sufficient time and opportunity to make great strides in this significant and vitally important transition.  Whether he would win or he would lose, observing the structure of his game is disappointing.  He is far behind Wang Chuqin now in structural maturity.  And a number of others, a not small number of others.

The historically justified faith in Harimoto's future was premised on an assumed coaching leadership sophistication that now seems lacking.  The Pandemic interlude was an extraordinary opportunity that was wasted.

While his physical buildup as evidenced by his physique was very correctly pursued, the blatant stalling of his playing structure maturity is a failure of leadership the recovery from which is now much in doubt.

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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

She shouldn't have been chosen over say Hina Hayata or even Miu Hirano....she never had the Japanese Bushido warrior spirit unlike the rest.


They select the players based on their world rankings I agree with you. Hayata would have a better chance to win.
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Chen Meng is in trouble, down 0:2 now.
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As far as I remember, Harimoro has not won many 7-game matches.  The screams very likely consumed some of his energies.
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Chen Meng is in trouble, down 0:2 now.

Good comeback, maybe due to DHK's damaged short? Smile
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Chen Meng is in trouble, down 0:2 now.

Good comeback, maybe due to DHK's damaged short? Smile


LOL, they "shamelessly" covered her lucky star there.
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Hi,

Concerning the Harimoto/Jorgic match:

First and foremost, all regards and rewards to Jorgic for the match, a deserving win.

Essentially, Jorgic won the match by outplaying Harimoto.  Both played much very high level table tennis.

I saw no evidence of Harimoto "choking," using that term as it typically is used.  Harimoto was raised fundamentally as a responsive player, a quality he attained an impressive level.  With the enormous power in the game today, it is not a structure that will be successfully sustaining against a sufficiently proficient offensive player.  He is in need of an accelerated evolution that has short term downsides and long term upsides, an evolution to an offensive-based structure.

The Harimoto stance as mentioned by another poster is the perfect stance for a responsive player.  It is inadequate for the highest level executions in the sport.  In addition, it hampers a forehand-oriented readiness he clearly lacks and decidedly needs today.

Harimoto's spirit of play in key circumstances inclines to the responsive, whereas others, such as Jorgic are striving for a more decisive control over the point.  As an example, while both are backhand-positioned, backhand-footwork structured, Jorgic is far more of the spirit to attempt point winning shots upon perceived opportunities than Harimoto.

My primary mis-anticipation of Harimoto for these Olympics was based upon the assumption of a maturation of his game in the long Pandemic interlude that afforded sufficient time and opportunity to make great strides in this significant and vitally important transition.  Whether he would win or he would lose, observing the structure of his game is disappointing.  He is far behind Wang Chuqin now in structural maturity.  And a number of others, a not small number of others.

The historically justified faith in Harimoto's future was premised on an assumed coaching leadership sophistication that now seems lacking.  The Pandemic interlude was an extraordinary opportunity that was wasted.

While his physical buildup as evidenced by his physique was very correctly pursued, the blatant stalling of his playing structure maturity is a failure of leadership the recovery from which is now much in doubt.

Thanks.    

If he converts to a more mid distance FH game (with the right leg placed further back in general) it would be worse for him since he will lose the centrepiece of his game which is his blistering speed especially on the BH. His FH has plenty of loopkilling power as it is on opportunity balls, though he doesn't recover very well from the FH loopkill if they're blocked back. Sometimes you gotta believe in your game just like Ito (the word mid distance doesn't exist in her dictionary)
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

ISHIKAWA is out 1-4 Dead

She shouldn't have been chosen over say Hina Hayata or even Miu Hirano....she never had the Japanese Bushido warrior spirit unlike the rest.


They select the players based on their world rankings I agree with you. Hayata would have a better chance to win.
And, there is a team event to consider too. Besides Ito, they are all the same.
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Lin Yun ju completely dismantled Darko and made him look like an amateur omg....

FZD vs Lin Yun Ju is gonna be a really exciting match imo, both are in insane form...
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If you can't return someone's serves and he is attacking your serves relentlessly, you end up looking like an amateur.  I think Jorgic was probably serving too loosely and the pressure Lin put on his serve and return got to him.
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

https://olympics.1tv.ru/video/long/de150233-9afc-4b8e-a01f-946bd6b025ea/%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81-%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB-%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB-1

Quarters all. Full lenght matches.
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I feel all unhappy for my dear Japanese friends ;((

This is how I was greeted by the link: [I do not know a method of watching the matches referenced here.]

Content is not available in your region at the request of the International Olympic Committee


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Lin Yun ju completely dismantled Darko and made him look like an amateur omg....

His playing structure and spirit of play selected in cooperation with his coaching leadership, from his earliest years, is a composition characteristic of the finest players in the Men's division of the sport.

This quality was evident early when he became visible on the international scene.  He is positioned to be a top player for a long time.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Lin Yun ju completely dismantled Darko and made him look like an amateur omg....

His playing structure and spirit of play selected in cooperation with his coaching leadership, from his earliest years, is a composition characteristic of the finest players in the Men's division of the sport.

This quality was evident early when he became visible on the international scene.  He is positioned to be a top player for a long time.

Thanks.

Or to the point typical native non Scandinavian American English but without verbose maximised superfluous word count entertainment and or annoyance value dependent on taste: 

He played well as expected given his top level coaching and match experience. 

This performance is world class and if maintained will continue to be successful.


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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Concerning the Harimoto/Jorgic match:

First and foremost, all regards and rewards to Jorgic for the match, a deserving win.

Essentially, Jorgic won the match by outplaying Harimoto.  Both played much very high level table tennis.

I saw no evidence of Harimoto "choking," using that term as it typically is used.  Harimoto was raised fundamentally as a responsive player, a quality he attained an impressive level.  With the enormous power in the game today, it is not a structure that will be successfully sustaining against a sufficiently proficient offensive player.  He is in need of an accelerated evolution that has short term downsides and long term upsides, an evolution to an offensive-based structure.

The Harimoto stance as mentioned by another poster is the perfect stance for a responsive player.  It is inadequate for the highest level executions in the sport.  In addition, it hampers a forehand-oriented readiness he clearly lacks and decidedly needs today.

Harimoto's spirit of play in key circumstances inclines to the responsive, whereas others, such as Jorgic are striving for a more decisive control over the point.  As an example, while both are backhand-positioned, backhand-footwork structured, Jorgic is far more of the spirit to attempt point winning shots upon perceived opportunities than Harimoto.

My primary mis-anticipation of Harimoto for these Olympics was based upon the assumption of a maturation of his game in the long Pandemic interlude that afforded sufficient time and opportunity to make great strides in this significant and vitally important transition.  Whether he would win or he would lose, observing the structure of his game is disappointing.  He is far behind Wang Chuqin now in structural maturity.  And a number of others, a not small number of others.

The historically justified faith in Harimoto's future was premised on an assumed coaching leadership sophistication that now seems lacking.  The Pandemic interlude was an extraordinary opportunity that was wasted.

While his physical buildup as evidenced by his physique was very correctly pursued, the blatant stalling of his playing structure maturity is a failure of leadership the recovery from which is now much in doubt.

Thanks.    

I had similar thought watching the game. I’m not good enough to criticize his playing structure but he looked very passive in this match. It’s like he is trying to become a safe player instead of dominating the opponent. Even his block used to be more aggressive when he was a kid. I really thought his strength was his aggressive taking the ball early style and he would build on that but it looks like he and his coaches are doing the opposite.
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Master Ma Long has advanced to the semi, 4:1 win over Omar Assar.

Congratulations to Assar to reach quarter final.


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Originally posted by balldance balldance wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Concerning the Harimoto/Jorgic match:

First and foremost, all regards and rewards to Jorgic for the match, a deserving win.

Essentially, Jorgic won the match by outplaying Harimoto.  Both played much very high level table tennis.

I saw no evidence of Harimoto "choking," using that term as it typically is used.  Harimoto was raised fundamentally as a responsive player, a quality he attained an impressive level.  With the enormous power in the game today, it is not a structure that will be successfully sustaining against a sufficiently proficient offensive player.  He is in need of an accelerated evolution that has short term downsides and long term upsides, an evolution to an offensive-based structure.

The Harimoto stance as mentioned by another poster is the perfect stance for a responsive player.  It is inadequate for the highest level executions in the sport.  In addition, it hampers a forehand-oriented readiness he clearly lacks and decidedly needs today.

Harimoto's spirit of play in key circumstances inclines to the responsive, whereas others, such as Jorgic are striving for a more decisive control over the point.  As an example, while both are backhand-positioned, backhand-footwork structured, Jorgic is far more of the spirit to attempt point winning shots upon perceived opportunities than Harimoto.

My primary mis-anticipation of Harimoto for these Olympics was based upon the assumption of a maturation of his game in the long Pandemic interlude that afforded sufficient time and opportunity to make great strides in this significant and vitally important transition.  Whether he would win or he would lose, observing the structure of his game is disappointing.  He is far behind Wang Chuqin now in structural maturity.  And a number of others, a not small number of others.

The historically justified faith in Harimoto's future was premised on an assumed coaching leadership sophistication that now seems lacking.  The Pandemic interlude was an extraordinary opportunity that was wasted.

While his physical buildup as evidenced by his physique was very correctly pursued, the blatant stalling of his playing structure maturity is a failure of leadership the recovery from which is now much in doubt.

Thanks.    

I had similar thought watching the game. I’m not good enough to criticize his playing structure but he looked very passive in this match. It’s like he is trying to become a safe player instead of dominating the opponent. Even his block used to be more aggressive when he was a kid. I really thought his strength was his aggressive taking the ball early style and he would build on that but it looks like he and his coaches are doing the opposite.


I would say it's caused by tremendous pressure. Remember this is Olympics and Japan is the hosting country. Harimoto is under HUGE pressure to win the gold on his own soil. Another strange thing Japan does to Harimoto is coaching in the match. Harimoto is trained by his father everyday. To him, his father is the one he trusts the most. And of course, his father knows him the best. For some reason, in every big event (Olympics and WTTC), the guy who sits in the coach seat is not his father. It's very important for athletes in the battle to know that they have their most trusted coach sitting behind.It impacts their confidence and hence performance in many ways.


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Hugo could not adjust to Dima’s slow rhythm change


Wow, what a turnaround!
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Hugo could not adjust to Dima’s slow rhythm change

Hugo is just terrible at topspin rallying due to his unbalanced strokes and once Dima stopped pushing (his pushes are terrible anyway) and chiquitaed everything (and also stopped trying high difficulty powerloops and focused on being balanced and getting it with good placement with reasonable quality), Hugo didn't have any tools to jam Dima's chiquita anymore, he tried serve variations but Dima dealt with all of them perfectly. Once he was forced into topspin rallying mode he already lost, coz Dima was winning something like 90% of the topspin rallies. 


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Ma Long and Chen Meng will almost definitely go to the final. The hard matchups are Sun Yingsha vs Ito Mima and Fan Zhendong vs Lin Yun-ju. 

It'll be a very stern test for the two younger players....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chroot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/28/2021 at 9:15am
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Hugo could not adjust to Dima’s slow rhythm change

Hugo is just terrible at topspin rallying due to his unbalanced strokes and once Dima stopped pushing (his pushes are terrible anyway) and chiquitaed everything (and also stopped trying high difficulty powerloops and focused on being balanced and getting it with good placement with reasonable quality), Hugo didn't have any tools to jam Dima's chiquita anymore, he tried serve variations but Dima dealt with all of them perfectly. Once he was forced into topspin rallying mode he already lost, coz Dima was winning something like 90% of the topspin rallies. 


A great comeback for Dima. I hope he can find the magic key to face Ma Long in the semi. Ma Long is probably the only player whom Dima has never had a victory over. Go Dima!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote andzejgolot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/28/2021 at 9:23am
I find another info about Hugo-Dima match. 
Dima equipment started play more on the soft way, you can hear it in replay video that the ball have clear sound in 5-6th set.
He creates higher arc and he started to play more technical  slow way so his equipment response  was higher, this is the reason why a lot of players use Tenergy and softer rubbers.
This hard brick equipment gives you more problems even if you are Dima.
A lot of edges from Hugo's Xiom, a lot balls throwing down, stupid timeout in 5th set. I don't know what type of ointment he used but won't work. 
 FZD is level up

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