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In Weihai, Shandong, time is UTC+8 hours meaning they are:

-15 hours ahead PST (American West coast)
-12 hours ahead of EST.

The MS finals happen at 8pm in Weihai and that means Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 5am PST/8am EST.


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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Wow never seen such a dominant Chen Meng before... She really increased her spin variation significantly this time and played slower and safer and further away from the table... The strategy seems to be super effective against Sun Yingsha surprisingly.


It's because she switched to Viscaria.
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IN the finals, CM was totally different from in the team event.

Totally dominating WMY and SYS.


Yes, she played really well. But 4:0 against SYS is a little surprising.

They had to switch to expedite system at the end of game 3 ! (Too many net serves and hand-wiping.) Chen Meng seemed to handle that better. Otherwise SYS may have won that game at least.
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

IN the finals, CM was totally different from in the team event.

Totally dominating WMY and SYS.


Yes, she played really well. But 4:0 against SYS is a little surprising.

They had to switch to expedite system at the end of game 3 ! (Too many net serves and hand-wiping.) Chen Meng seemed to handle that better. Otherwise SYS may have won that game at least.

Yeah that was the most ridiculous shit I've seen... SYS is a little bit like FZD, uses fast equipment and relies heavily on precise blade angles to make her ultra fast game work...if you throw her off her rhythm she's gonna make a lot of unforced errors... 

Whereas CM and LJK who play with a lot more spin, and slower (more time to adjust) have much safer games which are not so vulnerable to rhythm changes. 
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

IN the finals, CM was totally different from in the team event.

Totally dominating WMY and SYS.


Yes, she played really well. But 4:0 against SYS is a little surprising.

She beat Wang Manyu even more badly in the semis.  That Viscaria must have taken time to kick in but once it did...
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So can we say she was about equal to other girls who had already taken the step towards faster blades; now that she did too and stabilized the additional power, CM is above all?
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'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile
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8 hours 15min from now. Fresh coffee on a big final weekend day super early is a treat!
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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile

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ML won 4-2

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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile

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I'm gonna have to re-watch the match.... Missed it! Maybe FZD finally stopped trying to go BH to BH with LJK and exploit LJK's poor movement on the FH side...
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile

FZD leading 3-1

I'm gonna have to re-watch the match.... Missed it! Maybe FZD finally stopped trying to go BH to BH with LJK and exploit LJK's poor movement on the FH side...

Yep FZD got smart and directed all his heavy attacks to LJK's FH even when he had to make a lot more mistakes than usual... He also calmly did a lot of soft blocks on the BH (rather than going full on power like in past  matches), which apparently LJK really hates lol...Guess FZD did learn some tactics from Ma Long after all LOL


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Lin Gaoyuan vs Liang Jingkun is the craziest match I've seen for a while. Definitely one for the adrenaline junkies....
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Nobody watched the final?!

FZD was incredible there.... he was playing some 4d chess with Ma Long lol... 

Very technical matchup with minimal rallies, but with huge amounts of strategizing....


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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Nobody watched the final?!

FZD was incredible there.... he was playing some 4d chess with Ma Long lol... 

Very technical matchup with minimal rallies, but with huge amounts of strategizing....

Where did you watch it?
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile

FZD leading 3-1

I'm gonna have to re-watch the match.... Missed it! Maybe FZD finally stopped trying to go BH to BH with LJK and exploit LJK's poor movement on the FH side...

Yep FZD got smart and directed all his heavy attacks to LJK's FH even when he had to make a lot more mistakes than usual... He also calmly did a lot of soft blocks on the BH (rather than going full on power like in past  matches), which apparently LJK really hates lol...Guess FZD did learn some tactics from Ma Long after all LOL

Liang BH could be more powerful but fan BH has more quality better recovery that allows him to move the opponent
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile

FZD leading 3-1

I'm gonna have to re-watch the match.... Missed it! Maybe FZD finally stopped trying to go BH to BH with LJK and exploit LJK's poor movement on the FH side...

Yep FZD got smart and directed all his heavy attacks to LJK's FH even when he had to make a lot more mistakes than usual... He also calmly did a lot of soft blocks on the BH (rather than going full on power like in past  matches), which apparently LJK really hates lol...Guess FZD did learn some tactics from Ma Long after all LOL


FZD has learned how to adjust to the game quickly. That's the difference between him and ML before. Now, he's standing by ML.
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ML has not beaten FZD for a while. This time he is so close.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

ML has not beaten FZD for a while. This time he is so close.


It's time for ML to pass the torch.Smile He would have been retired if no pandemic.
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Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

ML has not beaten FZD for a while. This time he is so close.


It's time for ML to pass the torch.Smile He would have been retired if no pandemic.

This trio will be the hardest  compeition since between fan ,wang and  ma  any can win against   each other. Next WTTC will be very hard to win
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Ma Long should pass the torch? Ma Long won doubles, was runner-up in the teams, and runner-up in singles in a tournament which makes the world championships look like your average local ymca basketball pickup league.  Ma Long should play as long as he wants.  If not, then everyone on the planet should just quit playing...     

One should also take into consideration Ma Long had to play in the team event while FZD rested.  That might have had a slight impact in the finals. 
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

'He seems to be already FZD's kryptonite.... who knows he might pull a ZJK and quickly overtake FZD as this rate of improvement...' - blahness


we shall see, ....... about to confirm if its true. Big smile

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I'm gonna have to re-watch the match.... Missed it! Maybe FZD finally stopped trying to go BH to BH with LJK and exploit LJK's poor movement on the FH side...

Yep FZD got smart and directed all his heavy attacks to LJK's FH even when he had to make a lot more mistakes than usual... He also calmly did a lot of soft blocks on the BH (rather than going full on power like in past  matches), which apparently LJK really hates lol...Guess FZD did learn some tactics from Ma Long after all LOL

Liang BH could be more powerful but fan BH has more quality better recovery that allows him to move the opponent

I have watched quite a few matches between them, Fan Zhendong is not favoured in the BH-BH diagonal at all... So he can't really bully LJK in BH-BH unlike when he plays against other players...
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Was interesting how FZD insisted on serving no sidespin to Ma Long.... It was all variations of heavy underspin and no spin...whereas he was serving reverse pendulum from the middle to the short FH exclusively against LJK.  I think he exploited the FH weakness of LJK to force him to move and play a different game, and he didn't want Ma Long to be able to use the sidespin in strange ways in the receive.  He didn't serve a single long serve to Ma Long too...

He also did a lot more blocking and countering than he usually does, insisting on covering the table as well as he can. The BH down the line was also really on point, got so many direct points with that. It's a much better mix than in the past when he would be attacking hard every single ball. 

I think FZD really learnt how to "win ugly" so to speak lol... 
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FZD roars and assumes fully his leader of the pack, alpha male position. "NO MORE MESSING WITH ME NOW!"

Did he use tactics evolved from Wang Hao to keep Ma Long in check? any obvious parallel there?
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FZD played really good in the semi and final. I thought LJK could beat him, but FZD found a way to play passively and let LJK make his own mistakes. 

Today's FZD is world No. 1. 
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

FZD roars and assumes fully his leader of the pack, alpha male position. "NO MORE MESSING WITH ME NOW!"

Did he use tactics evolved from Wang Hao to keep Ma Long in check? any obvious parallel there?

No it's a different set of tactics...

Tbh even prime Wang Hao would struggle hard against the current Ma Long....he no longer has the short game and BH weakness he used to have...so those tactics which exploited these weaknesses wouldn't have worked...
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

.he no longer has the short game and BH weakness he used to have...so those tactics which exploited these weaknesses wouldn't have worked...
Disagree.
Malong s BH becoming worse and worse.
His chopblock is because of weakness it's not.the aim.
Good.trick with showing push and flick  at last moment, but nothing more and he used that since 2008.
Previous tactics of counterattack in bh after fast long serve did not work well  (he used that against Fan in last world finals) even he tried but without success in stressful moments.
Last points is exactly what I mean. BH is weak for that level and previously it was better just because he moved faster.



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Originally posted by Valiantsin Valiantsin wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

.he no longer has the short game and BH weakness he used to have...so those tactics which exploited these weaknesses wouldn't have worked...
Disagree.
Malong s BH becoming worse and worse.
His chopblock is because of weakness it's not.the aim.
Good.trick with showing push and flick  at last moment, but nothing more and he used that since 2008.
Previous tactics of counterattack in bh after fast long serve did not work well  (he used that against Fan in last world finals) even he tried but without success in stressful moments.
Last points is exactly what I mean. BH is weak for that level and previously it was better just because he moved faster.




Hmm I kinda agree with the poorer movement compared to his 2019 WTTC form, but I think he actually has stronger quality shots now (speed/spin) which was giving even Fan Zhendong lots of issues in blocking.

But still it's way, way better than when he played Wang Hao in the 2009, 2011 and 2013 WTTC when his BH was an outright weakness...


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