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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Great match - couldn't watch it with audio on without waking up my family, but it is a reminder that the gap between ML and FZD is razor thin.  FZD on the men's side is definitely not the same dominance as CM on the women's side.
Do you mean that FZD is absolutely dominant but he just has to resolve the ML problem? If yes, I agree. The number of unforced errors from FZD was staggering but the variation of spin from ML was the cause so the question is: Was mixing spin the key? It is hard to believe that but at the same time, getting in people's head is a good strategy if they want to cooperate. FZD is still too nervous playing his big bro on the higher stages, it does not go any further. It's all in the mindset.

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I'm so proud I publicly picked Ma Long to win; sadly for me my prediction was for another tournament!

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Great match - couldn't watch it with audio on without waking up my family, but it is a reminder that the gap between ML and FZD is razor thin.  FZD on the men's side is definitely not the same dominance as CM on the women's side.
Do you mean that FZD is absolutely dominant but he just has to resolve the ML problem? If yes, I agree. The number of unforced errors from FZD was staggering but the variation of spin from ML was the cause so the question is: Was mixing spin the key? It is hard to believe that but at the same time, getting in people's head is a good strategy if they want to cooperate. FZD is still too nervous playing his big bro on the higher stages, it does not go any further. It's all in the mindset.
I don't know about getting in the head.  You play someone 3 Times over a period of 2 months and split the matches 2-1.  That is reasonable.  What I found interesting was that some people felt the Fan wins were a sign of dominance despite being close 4-3 matches.  For me, it looked more like Fan catching up with the winner determined by how the wind blew in that particular day.. if they play again in the WTT event and the score is 4-0 FZD, it won't change my perception much.


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Ma Long was in such good form that he was downright unbeatable. Everything was on point from the impeccable serve and short game, the flicks, the forehand loop, impenetrable BH defense and perfect touch (he even freaking looped a net + edge ball which was so insane to watch)

FZD wasn't at the 120% level required to beat this version of Ma Long. I thought he played at roughly the same level as he did in the World Cup except this time Ma Long really elevated his game. 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Ma Long was in such good form that he was downright unbeatable. Everything was on point from the impeccable serve and short game, the flicks, the forehand loop, impenetrable BH defense and perfect touch (he even freaking looped a net + edge ball which was so insane to watch)

FZD wasn't at the 120% level required to beat this version of Ma Long. I thought he played at roughly the same level as he did in the World Cup except this time Ma Long really elevated his game. 


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The ML in the matches this year was in pretty good shape, and hard for anyone to beat.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

The ML in the matches this year was in pretty good shape, and hard for anyone to beat.


FZD is scratching his head. "Is this guy from another planet?". FZD played really well, close to his 100%, but still lost 1:4. The old secret from WH to beat ML (dominate ML's BH and force him to turn to his FH from the left side of the table) is no longer working. Look at his BH today, wow!
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what happened to fzd's bh down the line?
it gave him victory last time and I didn't see one of those in the match.

if he throws everything to ml's bh he is going to lose every single time because ml y more regular than fzd.
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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

what happened to fzd's bh down the line?
it gave him victory last time and I didn't see one of those in the match.

if he throws everything to ml's bh he is going to lose every single time because ml y more regular than fzd.

You can't switch it down the line with consistency if the incoming ball is of super high quality like what Ma Long was doing the entire match. 
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

The ML in the matches this year was in pretty good shape, and hard for anyone to beat.

Yeah this level was close to the best I've seen Ma Long play ever... It's incredible how he maintains such a high level at his age.
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strategy and flexibility. Malong can adjust his game by slowing down and speeding up on certain moments while Fan only can play speed. the difference here is experience and you can only have it with years of practice and matches. 
Fan has a lot to learn and fortunately he has time to do that. Malong is running out of time. He won because his experience and the ability to adjust.
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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

what happened to fzd's bh down the line?
it gave him victory last time and I didn't see one of those in the match.

if he throws everything to ml's bh he is going to lose every single time because ml y more regular than fzd.

He had 2 in a row of those at one point (perhaps it was 2 out of 3 points).
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Originally posted by WeebleWobble WeebleWobble wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

what happened to fzd's bh down the line?
it gave him victory last time and I didn't see one of those in the match.

if he throws everything to ml's bh he is going to lose every single time because ml y more regular than fzd.

He had 2 in a row of those at one point (perhaps it was 2 out of 3 points).
yes, Fan did some of those, probably not as often as at the WC
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Does someone know who will play in the last event this year ?WTT Macao
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Does someone know who will play in the last event this year ?WTT Macao

Check for update in this post:

The rumor is that LSW and DN will play. Harimoto and Ito will not play.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Does someone know who will play in the last event this year ?WTT Macao



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most everyone at the last tables and a few from the stands watching...Wink

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WTT Macao 2020 is the first event to be held by WTT since its inception by the International Table Tennis Federation (ITTF) this year. Men’s and women’s singles will be held, featuring many of the world’s top 16 players including Fan Zhendong, Xu Xin, Ma Long, Lin Gaoyuau, Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning, Wang Manyu,Chen Xingtong, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin and Wang Yidi from the mainland, Lin Yun-Ju from Taiwan, Jeoung Young-sik and Jeon Ji-hee from South Korea, Feng Tianwei from Singapore, Diaz Adriana from Puerto Rico, Szocs Bernadette from Romania, and Ahmed Saleh from Egypt.

Hugo Calderano and Gustavo Tsuboi of Brazil 
Cheng I-Ching from Chinese Taipei and Doo Hoi Kem from Hong Kong.

remember it's 16 each of the "world's *best* players so...critic all you want keyword is "world"LOL


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Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Does someone know who will play in the last event this year ?WTT Macao



nvrmnd comeback tomorrow ...sorryEmbarrassed

most everyone at the last tables and a few from the stands watching...Wink

yes Lily they're all on the same plane....well they're already there.Sleepy

WTT Macao 2020 is the first event to be held by WTT since its inception by the International Table Tennis Federation (ITTF) this year. Men’s and women’s singles will be held, featuring many of the world’s top 16 players including Fan Zhendong, Xu Xin, Ma Long, Lin Gaoyuau, Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning, Wang Manyu,Chen Xingtong, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin and Wang Yidi from the mainland, Lin Yun-Ju from Taiwan, Jeoung Young-sik and Jeon Ji-hee from South Korea, Feng Tianwei from Singapore, Diaz Adriana from Puerto Rico, Szocs Bernadette from Romania, and Ahmed Saleh from Egypt.

Hugo Calderano and Gustavo Tsuboi of Brazil 
Cheng I-Ching from Chinese Taipei and Doo Hoi Kem from Hong Kong.

remember it's 16 each of the "world's *best* players so...critic all you want keyword is "world"LOL

I noticed that Lily Zhang has been hanging around China, attending the ITTF Final that she did not qualify for.  I suspected that may indicate she will be in Macao.  Just speculating.

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i think the chinese emoji flag is banned- i can't figure out why names aren't posting? Confused
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...there will be Japanese but i dunno if Liu Shiwen will be in...maybe still injured but she's there and so is Ito and ishikawa and Harimoto

Dam the final list should be official nowConfused


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I expect Mima Ito to be giving out rice balls to Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen during practice LOL
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https://www.ittf.com/2020/11/24/32-stars-lined-wtt-macao/


No Japanese, no Liu Shiwen and not FZD.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

https://www.ittf.com/2020/11/24/32-stars-lined-wtt-macao/


No Japanese, no Liu Shiwen and not FZD.

Japanese must feel disapointed at least ito and niwa didnt played well.
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