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Hi,

For what it's worth: I just noticed in an article on tennis that the rule of thumb for adapting to altitude on their Professional Tour is three to four days of practice.

Thanks.

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Well, the earlier posts in this thread are pretty amusing now


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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Well, the earlier posts in this thread are pretty amusing now

No, it is just the opposite.  My contributions here were for the explicit purpose of attempting to persuade a change in venue.

This announcement is very encouraging for those who hold concern for the USATT governance.  Virginia Sung and the other USATT officials involved are due much praise for this decision, a decision that demonstrates the type of leadership needed to maintain any hope for a better table tennis future in the country.  We stand in respect to them.

This is the second bold reversal from this administration, the first being the change in the Olympic qualification rules to eliminate a possible corrupting influence of officials' discretion.  Again, a decision of decisive and positive leadership.

I see the sun is slightly brighter this morning.

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I agree with the last post except it is extremely unlikely (!!) that the thread here had anything to do with USATT making a good decision.
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I'm sorry but USATT is just as disappointing as ever. There is no need to praise this decision. The only reason USATT changed the venue from Salt Lake City to Vegas is because of their failed act to sign the contract before the Salt Lake convention center was booked with a different event. They still wanted it in Salt lake but had to change because they had to. 
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So that's why there was no Salt Lake City entry form with a date or details.
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Vegas has high altitude as well so I am not sure what the deal is...
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Vegas has high altitude as well so I am not sure what the deal is...
Vegas 2000 feet. Salt Lake City 4200 feet. 
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Vegas has high altitude as well so I am not sure what the deal is...
Vegas 2000 feet. Salt Lake City 4200 feet. 

Okay - so a SLC was a worse version of the same problem.
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

This announcement is very encouraging for those who hold concern for the USATT governance...This is the second bold reversal...Again, a decision of decisive and positive leadership...

Let's hope then "they" also listen to the massive outcry among current/former/prospective members in opposition to their league rating scheme. 
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It will be interesting to see the size of the facility we are using, and the events.  The hotel rate looks good on travelocity at $59 until you see the $44 resort fee.  

I agree with megaboyd that we're only in Las Vegas, because they didn't plan ahead and book SLC.  What would really be nice would be that they announce the location and dates of the U.S. Open.  I would like to see the USATT get ahead of the game instead of falling further and further behind.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

It will be interesting to see the size of the facility we are using, and the events.  The hotel rate looks good on travelocity at $59 until you see the $44 resort fee.  

I agree with megaboyd that we're only in Las Vegas, because they didn't plan ahead and book SLC.  What would really be nice would be that they announce the location and dates of the U.S. Open.  I would like to see the USATT get ahead of the game instead of falling further and further behind.
I agree with those who though Donn's praise for USATT was misplaced, but mostly I'm interested in the new playing venue.  Like everyone here, I have lots of experience with the LV convention center and while I've always considered it very imperfect, it was still a known quantity.  I'm assuming they switched to the Mandalay Bay because they also failed to get to the LVCC in time.

And does anyone know if they'll have floor mats for all tables or go back to concrete?
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

It will be interesting to see the size of the facility we are using, and the events.  The hotel rate looks good on travelocity at $59 until you see the $44 resort fee.  (just saw a $39 resort fee)

I agree with megaboyd that we're only in Las Vegas, because they didn't plan ahead and book SLC.  What would really be nice would be that they announce the location and dates of the U.S. Open.  I would like to see the USATT get ahead of the game instead of falling further and further behind.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

It will be interesting to see the size of the facility we are using, and the events.  The hotel rate looks good on travelocity at $59 until you see the $44 resort fee.  

I agree with megaboyd that we're only in Las Vegas, because they didn't plan ahead and book SLC.  What would really be nice would be that they announce the location and dates of the U.S. Open.  I would like to see the USATT get ahead of the game instead of falling further and further behind.
US Open is in Ft. Worth again
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

It will be interesting to see the size of the facility we are using, and the events.  The hotel rate looks good on travelocity at $59 until you see the $44 resort fee.  

I agree with megaboyd that we're only in Las Vegas, because they didn't plan ahead and book SLC.  What would really be nice would be that they announce the location and dates of the U.S. Open.  I would like to see the USATT get ahead of the game instead of falling further and further behind.

US Open is in Ft. Worth again

Seems I recall someone posting that the Nationals were in SLC.  I hope you're more reliable than he wasLOL

There is a $15 parking fee at the hotel.

The exhibit hall is 181000 sq ft.  The floor looks to be cement.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

It will be interesting to see the size of the facility we are using, and the events.  The hotel rate looks good on travelocity at $59 until you see the $44 resort fee.  

I agree with megaboyd that we're only in Las Vegas, because they didn't plan ahead and book SLC.  What would really be nice would be that they announce the location and dates of the U.S. Open.  I would like to see the USATT get ahead of the game instead of falling further and further behind.

US Open is in Ft. Worth again

Seems I recall someone posting that the Nationals were in SLC.  I hope you're more reliable than he wasLOL

There is a $15 parking fee at the hotel.

The exhibit hall is 181000 sq ft.  The floor looks to be cement.
Lol. I was given the SLC information from CEO and other usatt people. If people knew the whole story it would even be more hilarious disappointing usatt in action.
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Since the USATT lost a lot of money last year, we may be back playing on a cement floor.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Since the USATT lost a lot of money last year, we may be back playing on a cement floor.
Losing money last year shouldn't prevent them from using floor mats this year, but USATT is notoriously mismanaged, so that's quite possibly what is going to happen.
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Originally posted by megaboyd megaboyd wrote:

I'm sorry but USATT is just as disappointing as ever. There is no need to praise this decision. The only reason USATT changed the venue from Salt Lake City to Vegas is because of their failed act to sign the contract before the Salt Lake convention center was booked with a different event. They still wanted it in Salt lake but had to change because they had to. 

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USATT is led by incompetent and clueless executives so this is very normal. Please don't have high expectations of these jokers and you will not be disappointed.
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I would like to see how the Board voted on this.  :^)
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Originally posted by pongjess pongjess wrote:

USATT is led by incompetent and clueless executives so this is very normal. Please don't have high expectations of these jokers and you will not be disappointed.

Very significant senior executive changes have just been made.  A new board will be in place in due time.  Though I have extensive familiarity with its less-than-desirable history through the last few decades, I resist the cynicism in the spirit of the possible prospects for improvement.  I would not now use the present tense verb in the statement USATT is led by incompetent and clueless executives

The recommendation to not embrace high expectations is a reasonable one for those so disposed.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by pongjess pongjess wrote:

USATT is led by incompetent and clueless executives so this is very normal. Please don't have high expectations of these jokers and you will not be disappointed.

Very significant senior executive changes have just been made.  A new board will be in place in due time.  Though I have extensive familiarity with its less-than-desirable history through the last few decades, I resist the cynicism in the spirit of the possible prospects for improvement.  I ...

I can appreciate your reluctance for criticism and piling on. but the fact remains that there is only one new Board Member at USATT.  All other positions remain unchanged. USATT members are not going to have any more control of USATT.  And if the rumor about USATT missing the deadline for approving the SLC location is true, then I see little reason for optimism. 

Let's see who gets appointed (and elected?) to the new board and see what they do in the next year or two.

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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Since the USATT lost a lot of money last year, we may be back playing on a cement floor.
Losing money last year shouldn't prevent them from using floor mats this year, but USATT is notoriously mismanaged, so that's quite possibly what is going to happen.

It sure as hell can prevent them from having floor mats, if having mats cost an arm and a leg and their expense was a factor in losing money last year. I mean, these things are NOT free: they have to be bought (or stored if reused from last year), installed, removed...   
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by pongjess pongjess wrote:

USATT is led by incompetent and clueless executives so this is very normal. Please don't have high expectations of these jokers and you will not be disappointed.

Very significant senior executive changes have just been made.  A new board will be in place in due time.  Though I have extensive familiarity with its less-than-desirable history through the last few decades, I resist the cynicism in the spirit of the possible prospects for improvement.  I ...

I can appreciate your reluctance for criticism and piling on. but the fact remains that there is only one new Board Member at USATT.  All other positions remain unchanged. USATT members are not going to have any more control of USATT.  And if the rumor about USATT missing the deadline for approving the SLC location is true, then I see little reason for optimism. 

Let's see who gets appointed (and elected?) to the new board and see what they do in the next year or two.


I am in Utah and play at the salt lake club. I have talked to members and the owner of the club that were in contact with usatt in person in Ft. Worth then phone conversations with usatt, visit Utah and members of the two local convention centers. That being said with all the history all we can do is hope that the new board once it’s Fully in place can turn some things around. 
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Sometimes cynicism is healthy and drinking Kool Aid is bad. Clueless and incompetent are words you will also repeat very soon unless you are brainwashed by lies, half-truths, disinformation and social media spin from USATT executives.
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Since the USATT lost a lot of money last year, we may be back playing on a cement floor.
Losing money last year shouldn't prevent them from using floor mats this year, but USATT is notoriously mismanaged, so that's quite possibly what is going to happen.

It sure as hell can prevent them from having floor mats, if having mats cost an arm and a leg and their expense was a factor in losing money last year. I mean, these things are NOT free: they have to be bought (or stored if reused from last year), installed, removed...   
Do you know that the floor mats last year had anything to do with losing money?  I haven't seen anything to indicate that.  They had floor mats left over from the 2018 WVC, so i assumed they used those. At any rate, I put together a proposals for USATT a few years ago to add floor mats that had some up front costs but paid for itself within two tournaments.  It wasn't that hard; it's just that the Board of a few years ago we're very motivated.

This goes back to the whole deal that USATT has little care for the average members.  
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