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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

She may be OFFICIALLY the highest-ranked now, but to be recognized as one of the best 2? Not that easy. The standard now is far higher than it was in 2019.

She needs more titles. That's why I listed them in my last post.

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Ito is 10-dan(not official yet) for being Olympic Champion.
Ishikawa is 9-dan for being World Champion.
Hirano and Hayata are both 8-dan for being Asian Champions.
Not to discount Kasumi's past achievements, but her 2019 World Champion is Mixed Doubles WC - silver with Yoshimura.  More recently, HH is the 2021 Mixed Doubles World Champion - silver with Miwa's brother.  HH is also 2021 Women's Doubles WC - silver with Mima Ito.  Kasumi lost to HH at last year's WTT Contender Doha.  She also lost to HH at the 1st Paris Olympic Trials this year. TBH, HH has been really solid as of late.
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Hina also has the best winning percentage against Cnt players ( out of all Japan women's players) I think. 
She was also the T league MVP with the best winning percentage in the previous year.  She also achieved  first place  in this year's trial as well.
Apart from Ito, I don't think there is any japanese player better than Hina at the moment. You are welcome to prove me wrong. Maybe the 2 miyus would get close to her level in the near future.


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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Not to discount Kasumi's past achievements, but her 2019 World Champion is Mixed Doubles WC - silver with Yoshimura. More recently, HH is the 2021 Mixed Doubles World Champion - silver with Miwa's brother. HH is also 2021 Women's Doubles WC - silver with Mima Ito. Kasumi lost to HH at last year's WTT Contender Doha. She also lost to HH at the 1st Paris Olympic Trials this year. TBH, HH has been really solid as of late.

I get what you're saying, but the JNT has a distinctly different perspective on hierarchy. In the latest national team roster(2022/04/04), the order still goes like this:
1. Ito
2. Ishikawa
3. Hayata
4. Hirano
5. Kihara
6. Sato
7. Nagasaki

The criteria for the order is not entirely clear. In the Regulation Handbook, article 27(see page 4-5, "第 27 条（NT、JNT 及び HNT 選手の選出及び手順）") lists the selection and procedure of NT, JNT and HNT players but nothing on the order. After years of following it, all I can tell is that the order is not solely/necessarily dependent on world ranking, dan ranks, recent results at All-Japan Championships, etc.
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Rumors have been floating for a while, but it's official now. Asian Games 2022 has been postponed to 2023.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3176753/2022-asian-games-postponed-chinese-state-media-report

Hayata & Hirano: T_T
Ito: ^_^
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Rumors have been floating for a while, but it's official now. Asian Games 2022 has been postponed to 2023.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3176753/2022-asian-games-postponed-chinese-state-media-report

Hayata & Hirano: T_T
Ito: ^_^
Oh no!  Now I'm wondering if they'll postpone the ITTF World Teams Championships as well.
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Who in the right mind would believe Kasumi is a better player than Hayata right now? 
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Tieba users? Especially those who haven't followed Hayata as extensively and measure strength by number of titles?

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7791706026?pid=143749565193&cid=0#143749565193
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Tieba users? Especially those who haven't followed Hayata as extensively and measure strength by number of titles?

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7791706026?pid=143749565193&cid=0#143749565193
If going by number of titles, then Kasumi, who is 8 years older, definitely wins.  But in terms of recent performance, I really can't think of any measure that puts Kasumi ahead of HH.  I will give credit to Kasumi for playing HH exceptionally well at Top32 losing 9-11 in the 7th.  

BTW, by saying HH is better now, I don't want to disparage in any way Kasumi either professionally or personally. She's had a good career and is loved by table tennis fans throughout Japan and rightfully so.  She was on a tour in April promoting table tennis throughout all of Japan to young children.
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Ouch.  Lily's control game against defense is non-existent.  I expected Ojio to win, but the disparity is just cringeworthy.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Who in the right mind would believe Kasumi is a better player than Hayata right now? 


Precisely, zero people.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

If going by number of titles, then Kasumi, who is 8 years older, definitely wins.  But in terms of recent performance, I really can't think of any measure that puts Kasumi ahead of HH.  I will give credit to Kasumi for playing HH exceptionally well at Top32 losing 9-11 in the 7th.  

BTW, by saying HH is better now, I don't want to disparage in any way Kasumi either professionally or personally. She's had a good career and is loved by table tennis fans throughout Japan and rightfully so.  She was on a tour in April promoting table tennis throughout all of Japan to young children.

That is the counterargument in the reply to the next comment, which is opposed by another counterargument that Ishikawa's accomplishment at the same age is still better(not explicitly stated but I suppose it's referring to her status as two-time All-Japan Champion at that point, apparently without any regard to the level of competition).

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?22651-All-Japan-Championship-2020-Jan-13-19&p=302822&viewfull=1#post302822
Quote zeio: Ok, google. Find me an image that explains why yours truly differentiates most decorated from greatest of all time. "Dominating" in a weak era =/= "Prevailing" in a strong era.



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Quote At the press conference after losing to Harimoto at the All-Japan Championships 2018, Mizutani said he was fortunate to have won so many titles(9 at the time) before Harimoto came along and that his strength was on par with the CNT players. That's why I distinguish most decorated from greatest of all time.


Ironically, there was a thread a few months ago discussing the current top class lefty women, with an initial list below, and Hayata was the top choice for one obvious reason. That shows she still has much to do to shed that image of doubles specialist.
1. Hayata
2. Ishikawa
3. Jeon Jihee
4. Qian Tianyi
5. Solja

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7700846286?pid=142910103455&cid=0#142910103455

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It's possible that Kasumi accomplished more at the same age than HH has but as you mentioned the level of competition now is far greater than Kasumi's generation.  However, Kasumi is nearing the tail end of her career without a bronze in women's singles at either the Olympics or the WCs.  And she's had multiple opportunities to do so.  I don't expect her to beat the top Chinese at either OG or WC, but against non Chinese or non-top Chinese she's had her chances:

2012 London Olympics - lost to FTW in bronze medal match
2016 Rio Olympics - lost to Kim Song I in bronze medal match
2020 Tokyo Olympics - lost to YMY in QF

2015 WC - lost to Mu Zi (a very good Chinese player, but I wouldn't consider top level Chinese)
2019 WC - lost to DHK in QF

It remains to be seen whether HH will get the same opportunities and if so, can she win a bronze or better.  I like what I've seen so far though.  Even though she's clearly behind the top Chinese at the moment, I can see that at least she's making good in game adjustments.
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Miyazaki: No changes to the point table and selected singles players for Asian Games.

https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/05/08/kiji/20220508s00026000284000c.html
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Don't get me started.

Losing to FTW in the 3rd place match at London 2012 is excusable, seeing it was her first Olympics and FTW was in her prime. Losing to Kim Song I in the R32(first round of main draw) at Rio 2016 is tolerable, given Kim was the dark horse and went the distance against DN, as well as beating Fukuhara in the 3rd place match. But that score against YMY in the QF at Tokyo 2020? Not what the H2H would have suggested. Even a recovering Hirano did better than that.

Losing to Zhang Yining(eventual winner) at WTTC 2009(Ishikawa's first singles debut, beating Tie Yana and YMY in the process), DN(eventual winner) at WTTC 2011, Mu Zi at WTTC 2015, DN(eventual winner) again at WTTC 2017 and CM at WTTC 2021 are all comprehensible, but Ri Myong-sun in R32 at WTTC 2013 and DHK in R16 at WTTC 2019(admittedly, DHK gave CM a good scare in the next round)? That should raise some flags, but sadly no. Folks still stuck to their misguided feelings and false impressions that Ishikawa was immensely better than Hirano in H2H against foregin players.

Back to Hayata. As I pointed out, she still needs more titles. World ranking is just a number. And in this Olympic cycle, under the pandemic, its value has been diminished to the point that its weight is light as a feather.
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On 5/12, the date for the Paris 2024 Qualifier #3 has been tentatively changed back to 11/12-13.

https://jtta.or.jp/news/6531
Quote 強化本部は、第２回パリオリンピック選考会（Road to Paris）選出基準 を5月12日に日程訂£・4月28日に一部変更しました

第1回 選考会日程 ：2022年3月5～6日 詳細
第2回 選考会日程：2022年9月3～4日予定 第2回選考会選出基準
第3回 選考会日程：2022年11月12～13日予定    *5/12 日程訂£
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According to rallys.online, although T-League will run the T-League singles tournament that count towards Paris 2024, JTTA decided it will not be limited to T-League players.  JTTA strengthening headquarters will decide who will be the non T-League players.  This gives Mima Ito a path forward without having to join T-League.
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https://tleague.jp/news/detail.php?id=1945
Quote ◆出場選手選出基準：
1. T リーグ男⼥選⼿選出⽅法（2022年6⽉30⽇までにTリーグ登録選⼿に限る）
① 2022年3月5日・6日開催の 2022 LION CUP TOP32 ベスト8入賞者
② T リーグ実行委員会推薦選手(各チーム最大2名まで)
なお、①、②に基づく出場選手は、各チーム3名までとする。
2. 上記以外の出場者は、公益財£法人日本卓球協会強化本部で決定する。(Tリーグ所属選手に限らない)

◆ドロー順序要領：
1. 2022 全日本卓球選手権大会(一般の部)優勝者
2. ノジマＴリーグ 2021-2022シーズンのシングルス勝利数上位
※勝利数にはビクトリーマッチを含む(同数の場合は勝率の上位)
3. 上記に該当しない選手は、公益財£法人日本卓球協会強化本部で順序を決定
4. ドローは 1位、2位、(3位、4位)、(5位、6位)、(7位、8位)、(9位-12位)、(13位-16位)、(17 位-24 位)の順序とする。

◆その他：
1. IOC の定めるオリンピック出場資格要件(日本からの出場)を満たしていることが、出場の前提条件となる。
2. 2022年8月13日以降、T リーグに選手登録しない状態でこの大会に出場した選手は 2022年12月末まで T リーグへの加入は認めない。

2022 T.LEAGUE Individual Tournament, 8/13-14
16 Men/24 Women, single elimination, best of 7
Selection criteria:
1. Selection method for T.LEAGUE men's and women's players(limited to registered players of T.LEAGUE by 2022/6/30)
(1) Top 8 finishers at the 2022 LION CUP TOP32
(2) Recommended players by T.LEAGUE Executive Committee(a maximum of 2 players for each team)
Note: A maximum of 3 players for each team based on (1) and (2)
2. Participants other than the above will be decided by the Japan Table Tennis Association Strengthening Headquarters.(Not limited to T-League players)

Draw procedure:
1. 2022 All Japan Table Tennis Championships (General Division) Winner
2. Nojima T-League 2021-202 Top singles wins in the season
* Wins includes Victory Match(top winning percentage in case of identical singles wins)
3. Players who do not fall under the above will be decided by the Japan Table Tennis Association Strengthening Headquarters.
4. Draws are in the order of 1st, 2nd, (3rd, 4th), (5th, 6th), (7th, 8th), (9th-12th), (13th-16th), (17th-24th).

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Fun Facts:
Togami and Uda finished 9-16th at Top 32 and will play in Bundesliga instead of T.League.
Ito finished 5th at Top 32 but refuses to play in T.League.

JNT:
Let's bend the rules.

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Miyu Nagasaki will now be playing for Abyell in T-League ( https://hochi.news/articles/20220603-OHT1T51145.html?page=1 ) .  Abyell will be pretty much unbeatable because they already have Miu Hirano, Miyuu Kihara, Kasumi Ishikawa, and Miwa Harimoto.  This will also give Nagasaki to team up with her bestie for doubles so should make things interesting for World Team Championships and Paris 2024.
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Abyell will be pretty much unbeatable because they already have Miu Hirano, Miyuu Kihara, Kasumi Ishikawa, and Miwa Harimoto. 

They should learn from the Chinese.  In their Chinese Super League, they always separate the stars into different teams to create great competition.  The league has the best matches in the world.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Abyell will be pretty much unbeatable because they already have Miu Hirano, Miyuu Kihara, Kasumi Ishikawa, and Miwa Harimoto. 

They should learn from the Chinese.  In their Chinese Super League, they always separate the stars into different teams to create great competition.  The league has the best matches in the world.

Thanks.

Not true. The team rosters are dictated by which owning corporations of the team have the most money to spend, or by club influence, and there are typically bottom-feeder teams in the CSL as well. 


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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Abyell will be pretty much unbeatable because they already have Miu Hirano, Miyuu Kihara, Kasumi Ishikawa, and Miwa Harimoto. 

They should learn from the Chinese.  In their Chinese Super League, they always separate the stars into different teams to create great competition.  The league has the best matches in the world.

Thanks.

Not true. The team rosters are dictated by which owning corporations of the team have the most money to spend, or by club influence, and there are typically bottom-feeder teams in the CSL as well. 

Which team had Ma Long, Fan Zendong, and Xu Xin on its team at the same time?

It is accomplished de facto, not dejure.


Edited by DonnOlsen - 06/03/2022 at 7:54pm
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For the CTTSL, each team is generally allowed a total of 3 "special class" and "first class" players, with a maximum of 1 "special class" player.

For the T.LEAGUE, each team must have at least 1 S-ranked player and 1 AAA-ranked player.

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Quote          第十三条 联赛组委会根据联赛发展需要，对每个参赛俱乐部的“特级”和“一级”运动员的注册数量进行限制，即每个俱乐部在每个赛£的运动员注册时，原则上“特级”和“一级”运动员的注册人数总和不能超过3人（其中包括非中国乒协运动员注册人数），其中“特级”运动员不能超过1人。
    但因为运动员在服役期间，运动员级别的晋升，或者本俱乐部运动员的续约（未转入其它运动员情况下），允许该俱乐部注册“特级”和“一级”运动员人数总和最多不超过4人（包括非中国乒协运动员注册人数），其中特级运动员不能超过2人。


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１ T リーグチームは、S ランク以上の選手が 1 名以上、AAA ランクの選手が 1 名以上を含
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させなければならない。
３ T リーグチームは、4 チームマッチ以上出場する選手が 6 名以上となるようにしなけれ
ばならない。
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Abyell will be pretty much unbeatable because they already have Miu Hirano, Miyuu Kihara, Kasumi Ishikawa, and Miwa Harimoto. 

They should learn from the Chinese.  In their Chinese Super League, they always separate the stars into different teams to create great competition.  The league has the best matches in the world.

Thanks.

Not true. The team rosters are dictated by which owning corporations of the team have the most money to spend, or by club influence, and there are typically bottom-feeder teams in the CSL as well. 

Which team had Ma Long, Fan Zendong, and Xu Xin on its team at the same time?

It is accomplished de facto, not dejure.

Which other team ever had a chance against the 2021 Shandong team of Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Chen Xingtong, and Qian Tianyi? 
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Miyazaki indicates in a recent interview that there is a new addition to the point table after players' feedback. With the exception of Asian Games 2022 that has been postponed to next year, players are awarded points for defeating any top-3 CNT player in singles event of international tournaments between 2023/1/30 and 2024/1/21, 15 points for BO7 match and 10 points for BO5 match.

https://hochi.news/articles/20220604-OHT1T51165.html?page=1
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/06/04/0015360027.shtml
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202206040001043.html

Updated point table as of 6/6: https://jtta.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/06110045/2024olympic_selection_road3_point_0606.pdf

Edited by zeio - 06/06/2022 at 1:44am
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https://jtta.or.jp/news/7055
Official announcement of the addition.

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Miyazaki indicates in a recent interview that there is a new addition to the point table after players' feedback. With the exception of Asian Games 2022 that has been postponed to next year, players are awarded points for defeating any top-3 CNT player in singles event of international tournaments between 2023/1/30 and 2024/1/21, 15 points for BO7 match and 10 points for BO5 match.

https://hochi.news/articles/20220604-OHT1T51165.html?page=1
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/06/04/0015360027.shtml
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202206040001043.html

Updated point table as of 6/6: https://jtta.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/06110045/2024olympic_selection_road3_point_0606.pdf
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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