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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Somehow I doubt CNT will lose the XD gold again.  They were stuck with LSW/XX for the technical reasons you explained in a bunch of posts before Tokyo.  Both were injured/old, SYS and WCQ in 2024 not so much.  

Miwa's brother/Hayata are not necessarily weaker than Mizutani/Ito, either.

FWIW, Miwa's brother/Hayata defeated Mizutani/Ito in QF at Austrian Open 2019, granted that Mizutani was wearing a back brace. They went on to win the title by defeating Lebesson/Yuan Jia Nan in SF and LGY/ZYL in F. They also defeated FZD/DN in SF but lost to XX/ZYL in F at Japan Open 2019.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uJ411U7Yf

Other than Europe, another faction to watch out for is South Korea, namely CDS/Shindong, who defeated Mizutani/Ito at Czech Open 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVuedyDDSGA

In fact, I'm getting ahead of myself here. It's not a given that Miwa's brother/Hayata will be the pair chosen by JTTA. Togami/Hayata, Miwa's brother/Harimoto, and even Uda/Ito, in order of strength, are all on the table.

Same for South Korea w/ CDS/Kim Nayeong and Chinese Taipei w/ Feng Yi-hsin/CSY as backup.

Edited by zeio - 08/15/2022 at 2:45pm
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I follow this, but not as closely as some of you. Do you think Mima Ito has peaked as a singles player? I watched her matches at the Houston Worlds and I didn't see any forward progress, I got the impression people were catching up to her game and tactics.
Possibly... at a minimum she has hit a plateau.  The Chinese have video analyzed her to death.  And her compatriots are aware of her weaknesses.  Shibata took her to 7 games before losing though to be fair Mima Ito beat her 4-0 straight at the All Japan.  And now she's been beaten by Nagasaki's wonderful play.  

It's pretty amazing she's even gotten where she has despite her physical size limitations and limitations of short pips.  I remember back in 2019 when she was going through a slump losing to CXT at both the Bulgarian and Czech Open.  The next tournament was in Paraguay and she elected to skip it.  Lots of netizens were criticizing for that since she was in a points race towards the Tokyo Olympics, but I fully understood it.  She needed to right the ship.  She was proven right by beating SYS and WMY at the Swedish Open before losing to CM.    

I've noticed she's limiting her serves by serving exclusively from the middle now.  I'm assuming she and her coach analyzed this to be most effective.  But I've always felt her service game was one of her best attributes, and I wonder if limiting the serve variations is the right decision.  Plus, I wanna see that scorpion serve again :).  Knowing that her opponents are keying on her physical limitations, she has to do a better job of anticipating this and be ready to move.  And before the bh-bh rallies get too spinny especially with the Chinese, she'll have to hit to the opposite corner or pivot to fh despite the risk.  Anyhow, I hope she can right the ship again.
I hope Ito just want to save all the variations for an important event. I think that’s her only chance of winning the Chinese players. Don’t expose all your cards. 
Despite not playing well recently, I still think she deserves a spot in the JNT. She rarely lost to non Chinese players. Realistically JNT should aim for silver rather than gold in team event, until Miwa Harimoto becomes a real force. Women CNT is too strong. For single, you can hope for a miracle, even then Ito is still the best hope, she might lose easily but she also might be unbeatable in a good day. You can get 5 to 10 from her. Hayata is more stable than Ito now, you get solid 7-8 from her, but really I don’t see her chance beating SYS or WMY, at least right now.
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Another factor is the CNT is undergoing staff changes again. Tieba/Douban users have been reporting that a handful of men's team coaches are leaving/have left the CNT, namely Liu Guozheng, who is responsible for WCQ, ZQH, LDS and XCH. Chen Qi said in a live stream that he and Zhang Chao will come back to help during the closed training camp for WTTC 2022.

In the meantime, the General Administration of Sport of China has a new director. Gou Zhongwen has reached retirement age and been replaced by Gao Zhidan, who has worked in shooting sports.

https://www.douban.com/group/topic/271834758/?_i=05897669hNsizJ
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/272023689/?_i=05907489hNsizJ
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7948268188
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7965059995
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7975363625

I argued in 2020 that the overall strength of CNT was actually weaker now despite still being dominant and we finally saw signs of it at WTT SCT/CS/FEE ESS 2022.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?23925-Why-do-Asian-tt-players-mature-earlier-than-Europeans&p=321624&viewfull=1#post321624
Quote The reason you feel Asian players mature and/or peak earlier is just because Europe has been in this weak state for over a decade. There has hardly been any new blood to replace these "uncles". Europe as a whole was historically the strongest from the 80s to mid-90s and could go toe to toe with China when all those legends were in their 20s. China was arguably the most dominant from 2005 to 2011, because of Beijing 2008. CNT players are also maturing and peaking later now because their overall strength is actually WEAKER now, despite still being dominant. Ma Long was playing on one leg at the World Cup 2019 and only Harimoto and Lin Yun-Ju managed to beat him. There was a Tieba thread some 2 weeks ago asking why the young guns are having trouble making a name for themselves now and from the replies I could tell many of them are too young to know what they're talking about.


Edited by zeio - 08/15/2022 at 3:34pm
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I follow this, but not as closely as some of you. Do you think Mima Ito has peaked as a singles player? I watched her matches at the Houston Worlds and I didn't see any forward progress, I got the impression people were catching up to her game and tactics.

It's 5 months late but now is actually a better time to respond after WTT SCT/CS/FEE ESS. It's difficult to say for certain Ito has peaked but it's safe to say Ito has plateaued...Due to her small stature, Ito has thus far failed to come up with effective countermeasures other than all those superfluous serve motions.

Just came across this TV interview after WTT CT Zagreb that aired on 7/30, a week before my post above. Just when Ito got her smile back, 2 weeks later...

She's changing her stance and forehand stroke but that is not going well.

Ito: This is the reality

Ito: I've reached the limit

Minori: It's fine to quit


Screenshots and captions
https://imgur.com/a/L2s52OA

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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vg411C73A

Edited by zeio - 08/16/2022 at 6:02am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by balldance balldance wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I follow this, but not as closely as some of you. Do you think Mima Ito has peaked as a singles player? I watched her matches at the Houston Worlds and I didn't see any forward progress, I got the impression people were catching up to her game and tactics.
Possibly... at a minimum she has hit a plateau.  The Chinese have video analyzed her to death.  And her compatriots are aware of her weaknesses.  Shibata took her to 7 games before losing though to be fair Mima Ito beat her 4-0 straight at the All Japan.  And now she's been beaten by Nagasaki's wonderful play.  

It's pretty amazing she's even gotten where she has despite her physical size limitations and limitations of short pips.  I remember back in 2019 when she was going through a slump losing to CXT at both the Bulgarian and Czech Open.  The next tournament was in Paraguay and she elected to skip it.  Lots of netizens were criticizing for that since she was in a points race towards the Tokyo Olympics, but I fully understood it.  She needed to right the ship.  She was proven right by beating SYS and WMY at the Swedish Open before losing to CM.    

I've noticed she's limiting her serves by serving exclusively from the middle now.  I'm assuming she and her coach analyzed this to be most effective.  But I've always felt her service game was one of her best attributes, and I wonder if limiting the serve variations is the right decision.  Plus, I wanna see that scorpion serve again :).  Knowing that her opponents are keying on her physical limitations, she has to do a better job of anticipating this and be ready to move.  And before the bh-bh rallies get too spinny especially with the Chinese, she'll have to hit to the opposite corner or pivot to fh despite the risk.  Anyhow, I hope she can right the ship again.
I hope Ito just want to save all the variations for an important event. I think that’s her only chance of winning the Chinese players. Don’t expose all your cards. 
Despite not playing well recently, I still think she deserves a spot in the JNT. She rarely lost to non Chinese players. Realistically JNT should aim for silver rather than gold in team event, until Miwa Harimoto becomes a real force. Women CNT is too strong. For single, you can hope for a miracle, even then Ito is still the best hope, she might lose easily but she also might be unbeatable in a good day. You can get 5 to 10 from her. Hayata is more stable than Ito now, you get solid 7-8 from her, but really I don’t see her chance beating SYS or WMY, at least right now.
In years past, Mima was clearly the best player the JNT.  I think it's quite startling for her to see her teammates either close the gap or in HH's case surpass her especially after her recent success at the Tokyo Olympics.  For Japan as a whole, this is a good thing as the top players are more competitive than ever.  It's been a rough year for her, but all is not lost.  She is after all the 2022 All Japan champion beating HH in the finals.  Only she (Contender Zagreb) and Kihara (Star Contender Doha) have been the only Japanese women to take WTT titles at the Contender or above levels.  And actually despite being a less prestigious tourney than Kihara's Star Contender, Mima's path to the title is arguably more difficult having to beat Miu Hirano in the Finals vs. Kihara beating Han Ying in the the Finals.  It's true she hasn't beaten any of CNT's top 4, but that's true of her compatriots as well.  CNT's top 4 are just really, really good.  I haven't seen any upload of her match with Shibata, but from her match with Kasumi, she just really needs to cut back on her unforced errors.  This is especially true for WTT events through the QFs which are best of 5 so you don't have as much room to come back.  Her high risk/high reward style has gotten her this far in her career, but she's going to have to find ways to be more efficient.  We're still early in the Paris 2024 race so really any of Japan's top players have a good chance.  All it takes is one really good tournament, and she's back in the race.  Hopefully, Mima can make the necessary adjustments.  
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Catching up on the post-match comments.

https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/08/13/kiji/20220813s00026000545000c.html
Quote  準々決勝の最終ゲームでは1―5とリードされながら、追いついて逆転勝利。「ハンガリーの試合みたいにならないかなと祈りました。。神頼み。7オールに追いついた時は流れが来ていると思いました。良い試合ではないけど、最近は粘れている」と話した。

Harimoto: "I prayed that it'd turn out like in Hungary. Thank kami. when I caught up to 7:7, I thought the flow was coming my way. It was not a good match, but I've been persistent recently."

https://hochi.news/articles/20220814-OHT1T51289.html
Quote  7月の欧州での国際大会で東京五輪女王の陳夢(中国)にゲームカウント2―2の8―8から3�£続失点で競り負けた。「このレベルで勝つには、流れじゃなくて一本一本の勝負だなと感じた」。帰国後、それまでは試合の流れを意識し、サーブやレシーブなど戦術を組み立てていたが、1本ごとに「相手は何をしてきそうか。その中で自分は何がしたいのか」を考え、練習試合を重ねてきた。目の前の1本に集中し、選択する積み重ねが今大会の勝負強さにつながり「練習でや�£ていることがそのままできた」と手応えを示した。

 五輪�£表選考会を2大会�£続で制したが、満足はしていない。10�£の若手の台頭にも危機感を示し「まだ22歳。柔軟性があるうちにいろんなことを学んで、進化し続けていかないといけない」。貪欲にさらなる成長を誓�£た。(林 直史)

At the international competition in Europe in July, she lost to Chen Meng(China), the queen of the Tokyo Olympics, dropping 3 consecutive points from 8-8 with a game count of 2-2. "I feel that winning at this level is about fighting point by point, rather than flow," said Hayata. After returning to Japan, between now and then, she had been conscious of match flow and mixed and matched tactics such as serving and receiving, but for each shot, she asked, "What is the opponent going to do? What do I want to do in that situation?" And just like that, she had been doing practice matches. Focusing on the point in front of her, the accumulation of choices led to her strength in this tournament, which is reflected in "I carried out what I practiced like second nature".

She has won two Olympic qualifying tournaments in a row, but she is not satisfied. She also expressed a sense of crisis about the rise of young players, saying, "I'm still 22 years old. While I'm still flexible, I have to learn various things and continue to evolve." She greedily vowed to grow further.

Edited by zeio - 08/16/2022 at 8:43am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202208130001196.html
Quote 今大会第1シードの伊藤に対して、石川はノーシードで挑んだ。「これから自力でシード選手に勝£てシードを獲得するしかない」と巻き返しを誓£た。

Ishikawa: "From now on, I have no choice but to beat seeded player on my own and get seeded."

Mysterious voice: Zennoh Cup, next.

Quote Ishikawa without Zennoh = nothing

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24713-2021-All-Japan-National-Championships&p=335228&viewfull=1#post335228
Quote Ito & Hayata: Tell Zennoh to stop fixing the draw! We've had enough!
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More detailed response for Ito, Ishikawa, Harimoto and Togami
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20220814/k10013769501000.html
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202208130001443.html
https://hochi.news/articles/20220813-OHT1T51174.html?page=1

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20220814/k10013770581000.html?word_result=%E5%8D%93%E7%90%83
Quote また、デュースとな�£た第3ゲームと第4ゲームについて、「デュースだという感覚はなく、とにかく1本ずつだと考えていた。どちらが勝�£てもおかしくない展開だ�£たが、どうしたら1本を取れるか考えて、自信を持�£ていい選択ができたと思う」と話していました。

そのうえで、パリオリンピックに向けては、「苦しい選考会を乗り越えて、その先にパリ大会があると思う。とにかく1試合ずつ勝�£て�£表を自力でつかみ取りたい」と意気込みを語りました。

As Hayata indicated in the other interview, she treated the deuce in G3 and G4 as just another point, thought about how to win one at a time and made the good choice with confidence.

Edited by zeio - 08/17/2022 at 8:19am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Hirano's comment after 1-4 Hayata.
https://hochi.news/articles/20220814-OHT1T51275.html
Quote 決勝は早田ひな(日本生命)に1―4で敗れたが「準決勝まではし�£かり力を出せたいい試合だ�£た。最近調子は良か�£たけど、さらに試合の中で自信がついた」と手応えを示した。

 早田とは6月のWTTコンテンダー・ザグレブで3―2で勝利し、7月のWTTスターコンテンダー・欧州サマーシリーズは0―3で敗戦。約3か月間で3度目の対戦を通じ「悪くはなか�£たけど、少し有利になる形の場面が少なか�£たのが反省。強くなりたい部分が見つか�£た」と分析。24年パリ五輪の�£表争いに向け、国内選考会を勝ち抜くためにも「日本のレベルがすごく高くな�£ているので、どんな場面でも自分にはこれがあるという特徴を作�£ていくことが大事だと思う」と今後の課題も�£にした。

Although Hirano lost 1-4 to Hayata Hina (Nippon Life Insurance Co.) in the final, "It was a good tournament, where I was able to show my strength until the semi-final. I've been in good shape recently, but I've gained more confidence in the match," said Hirano.

She defeated Hayata 3-2 at the WTT Contender Zagreb in June, and lost 0-3 at the WTT Star Contender European Summer Series in July. After the third match in about three months, she analyzed, "It wasn't bad, but I regret that there weren't many situations where I was slightly advantageous. I found the part where I want to become stronger." In order to win the domestic qualifying competition for the Paris 2024, she said, "Japan's level is getting very high, so I think it's important to create a characteristic that I have in any situation."

After 4-1 Shibata
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202208140000434.html
Quote 試合後、平野は「今大会はチ�£レンジ�£ーな気持ちでできてる。決勝も向か�£ていく気持ちを忘れずに1本1本頑張るので応援よろしくお願いします」とコメントした。

Hirano: "I entered this tournament with the mindset of a challenger. I will keep that thought in the final and work hard point by point so please support me."

Edited by zeio - 08/16/2022 at 1:28pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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I would not want to be a high ranking Japanese table tennis player. Japan seems to take the publicity thing to a whole new level, those people are under a microscope 24/7/365.
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I see Mima Ito now listed in the Players List for the Main Draw of 2022 WTT Contender Muscat.  Strangely, as I type this, the main draw ranges from WR#5 - WR#87, but CXT (WR#33) and QTY (WR#63) are listed as Qualifiers.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

I see Mima Ito now listed in the Players List for the Main Draw of 2022 WTT Contender Muscat.  Strangely, as I type this, the main draw ranges from WR#5 - WR#87, but CXT (WR#33) and QTY (WR#63) are listed as Qualifiers.

PDR - Ito(WR5), YXX(WR11), and Mittelham(WR12).

Other than that, CNT's entries for MS and WS don't follow the rules at all. Should be fixed in the coming days. Been like that for many past events. Too many bugs in the OES.

One possibility behind that is CNT applied very close to(or even after the deadline, who knows?) after the MD was finalized and so players were "appended" to the QD instead? It shouldn't be possible but the buggy OES may allow it. That'd explain the weirdness.

Despite this
Quote 2.4 Entry Deadline
The Entry Deadline Cut-Off shall be on Tuesday, 20:00 (8:00PM) Singapore time (UTC+8 hours) of the
designated deadline week specified below. Players (or their designated authority) shall be solely responsible
for ensuring their entry is entered into an event via the Online Entries System (OES). WTT will not acceptany new entry received or replacement after the entry deadline whereby a player or pair (or their designated
authority) has failed to complete the correct entry procedures.


There is also this
Quote 2.7 Entry Deadline Extension
WTT in co-operation with the LOC may extend the entry deadlines for Singles and Doubles/Mixed Doubles
when unforeseen circumstances arise.


Edited by zeio - 08/17/2022 at 2:50am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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In the NHK interview, Ito gives credit to Shibata for causing her to miss in G7 but blames that the timing wasn't right and she was unlucky at times. However, in the Daily interview, she outright blames the ball didn't fly even when she attacked(Butterfly ball according to 5ch users). From all the winners by Hayata, Hirano and Kihara or even Ando and Odo, it's a little far-fetched. OTOH, the rainstorm should increase the ball speed since humid air is actually less dense than dry air!

https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/08/14/0015553248.shtml
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

I thought cutie was retiring from comps?

Cutie also said this 7 months ago.
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Sorry, I meant QTY.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/17/2022 at 7:58am
Oh, QTY just played last month at WTT Feeder ESS 2022, losing to Ojio in R16.

https://youtu.be/sJ4lM5i0vFM?list=PLIl_mJ3zK7B8Xw9OUdaH3VSGmFw7Iimtt&t=15611
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At the recommendation of 大嶋雅盛/OSHIMA Masamori of Miki House, Shibata spent 3-4 days, 5-6 hours per day every week training at Qiu Jianxin's new table tennis academy in Osaka.

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https://qtt.jp/

https://hochi.news/articles/20220813-OHT1T51276.html?page=1
Quote  21年東京五輪の£表選考レースは届かなか£た。18年6月の中国OPで当時世界2位の朱雨玲(中国)を破り、世界ランクも最高で15位まで上げたが、最後の1年で結果を残せなか£た。だが、地道に練習を積み重ね、昨年の世界選手権では次々と若手が台頭する日本の卓球界では「遅咲き」といえる24歳で初の£表入りを果たした。

 今年の4月に転機もあ£た。リオで水谷隼、東京五輪で石川佳純の専属コーチを務めた邱建新氏が大阪で卓球教室を開校。所属の大嶋雅盛££に勧められ「ぜひ挑戦したい」と週に3~4日、1日5~6時間通うようになり、実戦を意識した練習や戦術などを学んできた。2回戦でも世界選手権£表の長崎美柚(20)=神奈川=にストレートで完勝するなど、成果は着実に表れている。「パリ五輪はもちろん目標にしているけど、どの場面でも後悔しないように1試合1試合戦£て成長していきたい」。一歩ずつ、着実にパリを目指していく。(林 直史)


TV Tokyo's writeup on Shibata after qualifying for WTTC 2021
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2021/10/021023.html
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In-depth review by Tasei(MT headcoach) and Watanabe(WT headcoach) on Harimoto, Yoshimura, Hayata, Hirano et al. Very interesting.

https://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2022081600841&g=spo
Quote  田勢�£�£は姿勢の変化を挙げる。一つは体の姿勢。「ラリー中に姿勢が立�£ていたのが、立たなくな�£た」。以前は決めようと前のめりになり、反動で体が起きて上下動する場面もあ�£たが、練習で意識して取り組んだという。腰痛の改善も、適切な前傾姿勢の保持につなが�£ただろう。

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 「フォアの得点率や回り込んでの得点が少しずつ増えてきた。バックも悪くないので(両ハンドを)振れる位置が非常に良くな�£てきた」と田勢�£�£。張本も「バックはもう不調になることはないと思う。その分、フォアの強化ができている。フォアはまだミスも多いので」という。

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 このまま国内重視の選考方式が行われれば、吉村なら国内で勝つための卓球はできる。だが、それでパリ五輪に出たところで、自分のためにも日本卓球界のためにもならない。吉村は言う。

 「国内選考会に集中するなら、日本ぽくやればいいけど、そのまま海外で勝つのは�£しいので、また目線を海外に向けてプレースタイルを考えている」

 29歳。男子は41歳のテ�£モ・ボル(ドイツ)らまだ世界トップ級のベテランが多い。田勢�£�£は「馬龍(中国)だ�£て33歳。吉村もまだ楽しみ」と期待する。

 一方で、他の選手の戦いぶりは残念な意味で「誰が(上位に)出てきてもおかしくなか�£た」と評し、「パリ五輪に出るための選考会ではない。パリで金を取る気持ちがあるかどうか」と強調した。

Tasei: Harimoto's stance(center of gravity) doesn't rise during the rally now. It used to wobble up and down when he went for a winner. Keeping a proper forward lean has also alleviated his low back pain. The percentage of his FH and steparound is gradually increasing now. His BH is good to start with, so the swing on both side is very good now.
Harimoto: I don't think my BH will fail me again. Been working on FH. Still missing a lot.
Tasei: The main issue from now on is to play with confidence from the first round. There were many instances where he was not confident in round 1 or 2 even when leading. The match against Matsushima was not as one-sided as 4-1 may suggest. He came back to win from 2-3 down against Togami. Even if the match was tough, he came out on top. That's his strength. In a way, he's back in form but it's still a concern when playing overseas.
Yoshimura: I can win in Japan if I focus on the domestic qualifiers, but that won't cut it overseas. That's why I'm thinking of adapting my style to overseas competitions.
Tasei: There are still many world class veterans like Boll at 41 and ML at 33. Yoshimura at 29 has much to expect. For the others, it's a shame. Whoever is ahead is no surprise. I want to stress that this is not about playing at Paris 2024. It's about getting the gold medal.

https://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2022081700811&g=spo
Quote  早田は「自分の卓球が半年前と全然違う。フォア、バック、ブロック、サービス、レシーブ、構えも…全部変わ�£ている」という。渡辺�£�£は「特にバック系が非常に良くな�£た。ブロックが固く、ギュンと(打球を)伸ばすプレーもできて、中国選手ともいいラリーができる」と指摘した。

 左のフォアドライブが主戦武器のパワーヒッター。以前は得点をもぎ取るために強振したり、思い切�£て回り込んだりしたドライブを、カウンターで逆へ振られるような場面もあ�£た。だが、バックで高速の攻守ができるようになり、「フォアも、強引にいかなくてもよくな�£たので安定してきた」と渡辺�£�£。それでいて一発の威力や懐の深さは残し、必要に応じて織り込むことで緩急も使える。

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 だが、まだ中国には勝てない。7月のワールド・テーブルテニス(WTT)チ�£ンピオン欧州夏�£シリーズ(ブダペスト)は、準々決勝で陳夢(中国)に2-3で敗れた。最終ゲームは6-8から追い付きながら3点�£取され、「前は試合を流れとして考えていたけど、このレベルで勝つには1本1本なんだな」と痛感したという。

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 早田は帰国後に「流れで考えず1本ずつとらえる練習試合をした」という。「サービスで言えばフォア前の後はバックへのロング、という流れではなく1本ずつ相手が何を嫌がるか」。それを今大会で実践した結果、「2本続けて同じコースを攻めることもありました」と明かした。

...

 決勝で敗れた平野も、よく考えた試合が多か�£た。体調が改善して動ける範囲が広がり、「4月から意識してきた」という緩急やコース取りなど、東京五輪前からの成長基調が継続。以前は手詰まりで焦る場面が多か�£たのが、できることが増え、冷静に次の対応を考えている様子も見えた。

 渡辺�£�£は「気持ちが安定してきたのが一番。大人の卓球にな�£て、格下にはまず負けなくな�£た」という。平野自身はフォアに手応えを感じつつ「どんな場面でも自分にはこれがあるというものをつくる」「全ての技術で穴がない卓球スタイルに」と、今の世界で必要な課題も明確に意識している。

Hayata: My table tennis is totally different from half a year ago. FH, BH, blocking, service, receive, stance...everything has changed."
Watanabe: In particular, Hayata's BH has improved so much. Her blocking is solid, and she can hold her own in rally with CNT players. She is now able to attack and defend at high speed on the BH. Since she doesn't have to be as aggressive on the FH anymore, her stablility improves. Still, the power of hitting winners is still there, which she can tap into as needed.
Hayata: I used to think about serving to the short FH and then deep to the BH. Now, instead of flow, I focus on what the opponent hates every point.
Watanabe: Hirano's physical condition has improved and her range of coverage has expanded. Since April, she has become aware of pace and shot path. Her growing pace from before Tokyo 2020 is ongoing. In the past, there were many cases where she rushed in a deadlock, but now she has more options and it's clear she could come up with more ways to handle them with calm. Having a stable mood is the best. She's playing adult table tennis now, not losing to lower-ranked players for a start.
Hirano: I will develop a style with no glaring weakness in any skills.

Edited by zeio - 08/18/2022 at 7:26am
Viscaria FL - 91g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/18/2022 at 6:44am
For the points shown, what Tasei and Watanabe say are pretty on point.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EW4y1h7KD?p=1&vd_source=9b4bee64b7435c626607968135e168b3
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I'll also add I think HH is doing a good job of making in game adjustments.  I remember watching her play SYS live at the Singapore Smash and her backhand being inconsistent especially the 2nd game.  But she did a nice job of closing slightly her blade in the 3rd game:


I know a lot of netizens were disappointed in her after that match, but even in an 0-3 loss there are gains to be made.  
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Good to know the coaches and players are aware of the issues and what they have to work on. The coaches, especially, can now speak in specific terms. That was hard to come by a few years ago. The Chinese coaches have done a good job transferring their knowledge.
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Hi,

Absolutely stupendous reporting!  Thank you so much!

#1 早田ひな/HAYATA Hina = 50 +10-25 pts
#2 長﨑美柚/NAGASAKI Miyu = 45 +3
#3 木原美悠/KIHARA Miyuu = 40 +10-25
#4 佐藤 瞳/SATO Hitomi = 35 +3
#5 伊藤美誠/ITO Mima = 30 +5
#6 石川佳純/ISHIKAWA Kasumi = 25 +3
#7 橋本 帆乃香/HASHIMOTO Honoka = 20 +5
#8 平野美宇/HIRANO Miu = 15 +10-25
#9-16 = 10
張本美和/HARIMOTO Miwa +3

For me, I'm most captivated by Miyu Nagasaki.  I think she is "Most Improved" among this remarkable group of fast improving very excellent players.  [Although there is always the qualification of Miwa who is already super good and at a rapid improvement pace.]

I must say, in Miyu's match with Mima, her serving philosophy was intriguing and perhaps insightful into the general understandings of how to play Mima.  It is clear that these players are confident in responding to any of Mima's serve returns.

Today, Mima can only play offensively at the table: off the table she is developing some defensive abilities but is not an offensive threat there.  Players like Miyu are able to play offensively at the table, one step back, and two steps back.  They use these abilities to handle the powerful but not overwhelming Mima drives.

Moreover, Mima's much development in rally deception techniques benefit is greatly minimized due to the approach players are taking toward her.  What Mima would do in this regard, using these techniques, to a Kasumi just a few years ago is virtually absent now due to the force on the ball that Mima must address that prevents her from employing these otherwise very effective methods.

Mima is a great player, deserving the highest of respect.  The trends of the game are against her now, and it is difficult to be optimist over the mid-term that she will be able to sustain results to the stature she had previously attained.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/19/2022 at 6:32am
Crucial detail that is missing in other reports. This could be the first time Ito admits in public that she can't keep up in "endurance match" as well as inverted players.

https://rallys.online/topic/tleague/20220814nojimacupitomima/
Quote 今大会は第1シードで2回戦からの登場とな£たが

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や£ぱり、(お互いが)我慢の試合をしたとき£て、我慢しながら自分のパターンに持£ていくのが£しい。そうすると、(我慢のしやすい)£々の選手の方が上にな£てしまうことが自分の中でのポイントなので、£々の選手でも表の選手でも、我慢の試合にな£たときに「どうや£たらもうちょ£と押せるか」ということが大事かなと思いました。

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芝田選手にやりにくさを感じていたか

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ただ、自分自身では日本人の我慢してくるタイプの選手にまだまだなところがあるのは£直なところです。ただ、や£ぱり勝ち負けが一番大事なので我慢しても勝つことが大事なんですけど、ちょ£と今日の試合は上手くいかない点が多か£たです。


http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1129948&title=2022-zennoh-cup-top32-9-34#1129948
Quote It's less obvious in WS because she can hide it with more freedom on placement of serve, but you can see that she has trouble keeping up in longer points. As long as her opponent can get past the first 3 or 5 shots(by spinning up their shots as DHK noted), then Ito's percentage goes down significantly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/19/2022 at 6:58am
Miyazaki's comment on Ito is, for want of a better word, duh!

https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/table-tennis/4390007/
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/21/2022 at 3:13pm
Finally! Tieba/Douban users have been saying this(so much that it's turned into a meme) and now we have Miwa's brother's word for it.

https://hochi.news/articles/20220814-OHT1T51290.html?page=1
Quote  張本が選考大会で2�£続優勝を�£��£た。5月に琉球アステ�£ーダに移籍し、赤色のユニホームを着用しての初�£。決勝では1月の全日本選手権6回戦で敗れていた吉村にストレートで完勝するなど、隙のない戦いぶりが光り「何としてもここで優勝して、変わ�£た自分を見せたか�£た。素直にうれしい」と胸を張�£た。

 世界ランク4位は日本勢トップ。国内選考会では常に追われる立場だが「全部の試合で自分が格下だと思�£て戦えた」と精神面の成長を見せる。�£表争いでスタートダッシュにも成功。「(五輪の)選考基準が発表された時点で、やらなきゃいけない大会を見定めて、勝つべきところで勝つプランは立てていた」。2大会�£続の五輪へ、揺るがぬ強さで勝ち続ける。

Miwa's brother: "I treated every match as if I was the challenger." "When the selection criteria were announced, I'd already confirmed the tournaments that I had to attend, and devised a plan to win where I should've won."

To get folks up to speed, whenever Miwa's brother gets upset(usually by a relatively low-ranked small potato), people will be quick to point out he often performs well against players with whom he's familiar(typically in invitational competitions like the World Cup/WTT Cup Finals/WTT Champions with a subset of top players), as if a straight-A student who can answer any questions you throw at him, provided they are in his "question database".

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https://rallys.online/topic/domestic/20220814tleaguenojimacup2022yoshiyamaryoichi/
In-depth interview with YOSHIYAMA Ryoichi, the older brother of Kazuki. I mention them because the Yoshiyama brothers and Sora Matsushima have an interesting rivalry. Kazuki always loses to Sora and Ryoichi always gets revenge for his brother. FWIW, Ryoichi took out Pitchford at WTT CT Lima 2022. He came in 3rd at Nojima Cup. Will likely see him more in the future.

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Back to Harimoto siblings. Interesting article on Miwa with quotes from both about how Miwa's growth is pushing on Tomokazu after winning their first-ever XD title, first time pairing, and Miwa's reaching the final in WS at WTT CT Tunis 2022. Miwa is 165cm tall now.

For reference,
Hayata 167
Aso 167(looks way taller)
Kihara/Nagasaki 164
Sato 163
Hashimoto 162(looks taller)
Kato 159
Hirano 158
Ishikawa 157
Shibata 155
Ito 152(looks shorter)
Odo 152

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2022/08/025815.html
Quote その急成長ぶりには国際大会で数々の輝かしい成績をあげてきた智和も「危機感を感じましたね」と舌を巻き、優勝したTリーグNOJIMA CUP2022決勝後にはこう語�£た。

「妹がシングルスで決勝に進出して嬉しい気持ちが90%、10%は自分も頑張らなきゃという危機感を与えてもら�£た。妹以上の結果を残さなきゃという刺激をもらいました」

 美和本人も国際大会の成績と経験が大きな自信に繋が�£ており、パリ五輪の選考レースに関しても、「ポイント的にい�£たらまだ下の方(12ポイント獲得で女子12番目)ですけど、もちろんパリオリンピックには出たいですし、ポイントも欲しい」と貪欲だ。

ただ、その一方では「今年は自分自身がどれだけ成長できるかを意識している」「まずはミスの少ない卓球を心がけている」など地に足をつけている。

 そんな美和のプレーの特長は手足の長さを生かした両ハンドのパワードライブとループドライブを織り交ぜたラリーの緩急、そして兄顔負けのブロック力だろう。

 ジュニアやホープス世�£の育成に実績のある木下卓球アカデミーの渡邊隆司ゼネラルマネジ�£ーも、「智和とよく似て圧倒的なブロック力はアドバンテージ。基礎力が高くミスが少ない」と評価する。

 体格にも恵まれ身長はすでに165cmある。今後、フ�£ジカル面が充実してくれば、身長167cmで同じ中�£主体にプレーする早田に迫る存在になるだろう。


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More detail that is missing in other reports about Hayata. She actually mentioned Miwa's exponential growth when she said she was only 22 years old and had to learn various things to surpass herself 1 or 2 times more.

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2022/08/025814.html
Quote しかし、パリ五輪選考はまだ始ま�£たばかりだ。今後の選考レースを見据えると伊藤や平野ら同年�£、先輩の石川佳純(木下アビエル神奈川/全農)とい�£たライバルたちに加え、下の世�£の追い上げも気にならないわけではない。

「優勝を重ねて、追う立場から追われる立場にな�£ていく中で、張本美和選手(木下アビエル神奈川/木下アカデミー)のようにピッチの速い卓球がどんどん進化して、自分自身も進化し続けないといけない。自分もまだ22歳。いろんなことを学んでもう一回り二回り自分を超えていけるよう力をつけていきたい」と言い、第1回選考会で優勝した半年前とは「フォアハンドもバックハンドもサーブ・レシーブ、ブロックや構えとかも全部変わ�£ている」と胸を張る。


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Lastly, VOD for the QF/SF/F matches is available now. Not sure if they'll be uploaded on youtube, though.

Edited by zeio - 08/21/2022 at 3:16pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Could you pls help with link to VODs of nojima s/f and final matches?
Not having any luck with T-League’s portal. Thnx
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https://jtta.or.jp/news/8371
List of participants for Zennoh Cup announced.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Hayata has announced she will donate the prize money won at the Nojima Cup, 1 million yen(~US$7300) in total, to victims of the Tanga Market in Kitakyushu City, her hometown, that suffered a second large-scale fire on 8/10.

https://hochi.news/articles/20220824-OHT1T51105.html
https://www.fnn.jp/articles/-/407447
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/08/24/0015580653.shtml

Edited by zeio - 08/24/2022 at 8:36am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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