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日本女子卓球のパリ五輪選考争いは、独走の早田ひな以下が超熾烈!!
https://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/news/sports/2023/07/12/119978/ Very rare for Shuiesha, the largest publishing company in Japan, to write about table tennis. JTTA: We do selection right. Edited by zeio - 07/14/2023 at 1:25am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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Finally got around to updating the table after ITTF/WTT changed the table format. Also fixed some bugs in MT/WT.
After a dramatic win at WTT CT Zagreb 2023, Hirano hits a winning percentage of ~67% against CNT players this year. Kihara, ironically, performs consistently the best against non-CNT players and non-teammates and also the worst against CNT players and teammates. 23WK28 MS ![]() WS ![]() MD https://i.imgur.com/K1zw4Ap.png WD https://i.imgur.com/peym337.png XD https://i.imgur.com/TIpmyMQ.png MT https://i.imgur.com/bgpP2NO.png WT https://i.imgur.com/4HGS1hK.png 23WK1, 23WK14, 23WK18 https://imgur.com/a/gCBQ7kc Edited by zeio - 07/16/2023 at 1:46am |
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Only semi-related to this thread, but the WTT Finals Women will be held in Nagoya, Japan Dec 15-17.
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https://worldtabletennis.com/description?artId=2774
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/107246 https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029223.html https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029228.html Been waiting for news on that. 6/2023 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1142285
7/2022 https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91735&PID=1128228&title=european-summer-series-2022-7-1122#1128228
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Draw released on 7/20. Instead of seeding with the finishing positions at the Zennoh Cup Hiratsuka, the current player standings were used.
https://jtta.or.jp/news/13999 https://jtta.or.jp/tour/13104 Edited by zeio - 07/21/2023 at 10:03am |
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TV Tokyo just uploaded the original footage (though the part where Hirano and Ito were fighting for the middle seat was cut) of the golden generation going to the restaurant �£魚臺 after Swedish Open 2017, where Ito and Hayata acknowledged Hirano for always being the last one to leave the training hall.
【黄金世�£�£�ロケ】伊藤美誠・平野美宇・早田ひな 2017スウェーデンOP後 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBHWXu49UdE |
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2023 ZENNOH CUP Tokyo (5th Japan Road to Paris Tournament) 7/22-23 Essential Information and LinksTournament website: https://jtta.or.jp/tour/13104 Day 1 Schedule of Matches: https://jtta.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/19132929/2023_Zennoh_CUP_TOKYO_TimeTable_Day1.pdf Women's Draw:https://jtta.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/19132413/2023_Zennoh_CUP_TOKYO_F_Draw.pdf Live Streaming Links: 7/22 Day 1 Table 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrz4Vzf5CU4&list=WL&index=7 7/22 Day 1 Table 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plrFrJRFkM&list=WL&index=7 7/23 Day 2 Table 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6uxEGq9mg&list=WL&index=8 7/23 Day 2 Table 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKdx-YlKsoo&list=WL&index=9
Looks like JTTA modified the draw procedures again. There was no lottery this time, and they basically used a "Fixed Bracket Draw" based on Current Paris Points Standings. 1st Qtr (1) Hayata v. Yamamuro (16) (9) Mori v. Shibata (8) 2nd Qtr (5) Sato v. Odo (12) (13) Ando v. Kihara (4) 3rd Qtr (3) Ito v. I Ayano (14) (11) Yokoi v. Nagasaki (6) 4th Qtr (7) M. Harimoto v. Hashimoto (10) (15) Minagawa v. Hirano (2) To be fair, this change may have resulted in the most balanced draw among all the Road to Paris Selection Meetings so far. No more "Block of Death" for Hayata who finally gets a decent draw commensurate to her No. 1 Seed. Had the draw been done according to finishing positions from the previous Road to Paris Tournament, the current Top 5 in Paris Points Standings (Hayata, Hirano, Ito, Kihara, and Sato) would all have been drawn in the same half, so JTTA may have also taken this into consideration.
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Zennoh Cup Tokyo = when they realize the draw can't be *bleep* up anymore http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1141067
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MINAGAWA Yuka 0-4 Hirano
G2 24, 74, 78, 88, 810, 910, 911 Hirano would've lost this game in the past. She adapts much more quickly now. Ando 4-2 Kihara G6 109, 1010, 1210 Kihara's hope is dead. |
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Nagasaki hope is also dead. She lost to Yokoi………
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Nagasaki 1-4 Yokoi
Shinozuka 2-1 -> 2-3 -> 4-3 Matsushita Other than Kihara and Nagasaki, the other R16 matches went as expected. Odo beating Sato, Harimoto beating Hashimoto are not out of the ordinary after Zennoh Cup Hiratsuka and Nojima Cup 2023. Shibata beating Mori is perhaps the only toss-up (Mori 4-0 Shibata at Zennoh Cup Hiratsuka). Harimoto vs Hirano 511 25, 45, 411 13, 14 TO for Harimoto, 17, 37, 39, 59, 510, 710, 711. Out of options, Harimoto kept serving high-toss long and stole a few points. 03, 63, 68, 78, 79 side edge for Hirano, 710, 910, 911 net for Hirano Comprehensively suppressed. Serve, receive, FH, BH, speed, spin, power... Ito vs Yokoi 118 86, 811 31, 32, 42, 44 Ito saved by a stray ball from another court (would've been 45), 74 Ito says Yokoi raised her hand, 84 endline edge for Ito, 104, 105, 115 01, 51, 54, 64, 65, 95, 97, 117 01, 21, 24, 54 TO for Yokoi, 64 edge for Ito, 74, 77, 97, 98, 99 epic BH point for Yokoi, 119 Hayata 4-1 Shibata Odo 4-1 Ando Harimoto 1-2 -> 4-2 Uda 711 117 55, 511 20, 24, 74, 76, 86, 87, 98 TO for Harimoto, 108, 1010, 1210 21, 41, 42, 52, 58, 78 TO for Uda, 79, 89, 810 side edge for Uda, 910 epic FH loop from Harimoto, 1010 dead net for Harimoto, 1210 73, 84, 94, 105, 115 Yokotani 2-0 -> 2-1 -> 3-1 -> 3-4 Togami G3 26, 46 dead net for Yokotani, 49, 89 TO for Togami, 810, 1010, 1012 G4 10, 11, 31, 32, 42, 46, 57, 77, 79, 89, 810, 1210 G5 05, 15, 26, 36, 38, 49, 59, 510, 610, 611 G6 03, 14, 17, 28, 38 G7 10, 12, 23, 33, 34, 45, 65, 66 side edge on serve for Togami, 86, 88, 98, 911 Togami looks lethargic. Injury? Stomachache? Edited by zeio - 07/22/2023 at 6:17am |
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Not certain how much this contributed, but I noticed Kihara was using Butterfly equipment (Viscaria and Impartial XS), which she wasn't using in Ljubljana. Making such a big change in a week or so before a major domestic tournament is an interesting choice. Curious if this is a permanent change that she feels compelled to make (reminds me of Hirano a couple years ago) or is just trying things out.
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I'm actually not at all surprised that Yokoi beat Nagasaki. When the draws came out, I thought Yokoi had a good chance at beating Nagasaki. Yokoi is known for her strong BH, but her game is very well rounded. She's not Paris 2024 worthy, but she has a shot at LA 2028. She's building a name for herself so people now won't be surprised any more when she beats top players. Remember she beat Mima Ito in a previous domestic tournament. Though Mima got her revenge here :).
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Is it normal for a sponsored player (Kihara by Victas) to switch equipment to another brand? I guess it is lol
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It's not that uncommon. Ishikawa and Hirano were both using Butterfly products while sponsored by Nittaku and Stiga, respectively. Some players like Fan Zhendong and Liang Jingkun went to lengths to conceal what they were using (handle swapping), and I'm not sure who decides what is acceptable and what isn't.
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Ando takes out Miwa in 7. Ando barely lost when they met at one of the WTT tournaments and even had match points back then.
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After WTT CT Zagreb 2023 where Hirano 4-3 SYS, a Tieba user wondered if Hirano has the strongest serve receive outside of CNT. Hirano attributed her win to the improved handling of half-long balls and forcing SYS into BH exchanges.
平野美宇是不是中国之外接发最强的选手 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8487971905 The corner angle at eye level at Zennoh Cup Tokyo makes it rather clear to see. Hirano 4-0 Harimoto Very tight pushes https://youtu.be/eZksYjpJxc0?t=572 https://youtu.be/eZksYjpJxc0?t=997 Handling of half-long balls https://youtu.be/eZksYjpJxc0?t=1189 https://youtu.be/eZksYjpJxc0?t=1214 Tight serves https://youtu.be/eZksYjpJxc0?t=1428 https://youtu.be/eZksYjpJxc0?t=1444 A big reason Hirano could beat Ding Ning at ATTC 2017 had a lot to do with Hirano handling DN's tomahawk serve well (by bruteforcing with the chiquita) and getting points off her own serve. But since then, the CNT has cracked down on it by forcing her to start from backspin. It has taken Hirano long enough to get past that. Having worked on various parts of her game, the gain on serve receive is now the most obvious and beneficial. At this point, when it comes to receiving, Hirano >= Ito > Hayata. Ito's shortpips have become a double-edge sword in that she can't really do a full-fledged chiquita. Hirano 3-2 DN https://youtu.be/edmjbEY6np0?t=956 https://youtu.be/edmjbEY6np0?t=2955 強化のフロントライン41 日本女子の現在地 平野美宇について https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/interview/detail/013632.html |
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Ando 0-2 -> 2-2 -> 2-3 -> 4-3 Harimoto
G7 86, 106, 109, 119 Shibata 4-3 Yokoi Shinozuka vs Togami 109, 1010, 1210 Togami killed himself on serve (facepalm) 30, 33, 43, 44, 55, 65, 66, 77, 79, 99, 911 20, 22, 43, 73, 74, 84, 86 TO for Shinozuka, 87, 117 18, 28, 211 92, 94, 104, 106, 116 08, 18, 19, 29, 210, 310, 311 01 epic rally, 11, 12, 22, 23 side edge for Togami, 33, 34, 44, 45, 65 TO for Togami, 66, 76, 77, 87, 88, 98, 910 let? calling for referee. checked video replay, 911 Tanigaki 0-4 Yokotani Harimoto 4-0 Tanaka Uda 4-1 Sone Edited by zeio - 07/23/2023 at 12:49am |
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Catching up on the news.
Harimoto plans to skip the 6th selection trial. 張本智和 ベスト4進出「ポイント差を広げて第6回は出場しない方向を目指している」【卓球 全農CUP】 https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029259.html Ito on beating Yokoi and that she will go all out from G1 against Hirano tomorrow. 伊藤美誠 準決勝進出 平野美宇との『みうみま対決』へ「1ゲーム目から思い切�£ていく」【卓球 全農CUP】 https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029260.html Hirano on beating Harimoto and that doing everything within her power well is the most important, citing her lesson during Tokyo 2020 period. 平野美宇 準決勝進出「(伊藤選手・早田選手)2人はライバル。自分のやるべきことをやる」【卓球 全農CUP】 https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029261.html Nagasaki on losing to Yokoi, that rather than the opponent, she herself has limited her own playstyle. 初戦敗退とな�£た長﨑美柚「気持ちが強くならないといけない」【卓球 全農CUP】 https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029263.html Hayata not thinking about the match between Ito and Hirano and will focus on the match in front of her. 早田ひな ベスト4進出「どの選手よりも向か�£ていく気持ちで頑張りたい」【卓球 全農CUP】 https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/07/029265.html Edited by zeio - 07/23/2023 at 12:50am |
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Epic showdown between Ito and Hirano is about to start!
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Stiga Cybershape Carbon FH: GT BH: GT Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Ito vs Hirano will start at 14:15 Japan Standard Time, half an hour from now.
The match is exclusive to OTA TV Tokyo: http://code.vthanhtivi.pw/getlink/jptv2/276/playlist.m3u8 http://code.vthanhtivi.pw/getlink/jptv2/16/playlist.m3u8 Ito vs Hirano 711 04, 14, 15, 95, 97, 117 10, 13, 33, 35, 55, 58, 68, 69, 79 dead net for Ito, 711 01, 11, 15, 35, 39 slight net for Hirano, 310, 410, 411 01, 41, 43 epic down the line BH from Hirano, 53 epic point for both, 103, 104, 114 20, 22, 42, 44, 64, 66, 96, 98, 108, 109 wide net for Hirano, 119 20, 22, 42, 43, 63 edge for Ito, TO for Hirano, 64 epic point for Hirano, 67 TO for Ito, 69, 89, 810, 910 endline edge for Ito, 1010 dead net for Ito, 1210 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHaG8StZTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHAENsMMrkI Edited by zeio - 07/26/2023 at 1:25am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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3rd-4th
Tanaka 4-3 Shinozuka 3rd-4th Odo 3-2 -> 3-4 Hirano G6 411 G7 14, 44, 45, 55, 56, 66, 68 Odo served off the table, 69, 79, 89 TO for Hirano, 810 epic flick from Hirano, 910, 911 ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by zeio - 07/23/2023 at 6:24am |
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Hayata vs Ito
115 510?, 1010 Ito's serve clipped the net and side edge, 1210 41, 42, 92, 93, 103, 104, 114 13, 14, 34, 36, 76 Ito served off the table, 86, 810, 910 slight edge for Hayata, 1010, 1011, 1111 slight net for Hayata, 1112, 1312, 1314, 1614 World: How did Ito reach the final? Hirano: By 1 edge and 1 net. Hirano remains the only one to have won by going through both Ito and Hayata at Zennoh Cup Funabashi and with the most difficult draw after 5 selection trials (Lion Cup/Zennoh Cup Fukuoka/Funabashi/Hiratsuka/Tokyo), 1 Zennihon Takkyu, and 2 Nojima Cup, spanning across 2022 and 2023.
Finall...(Hayata 3-4 Ito at Zennoh Cup Fukuoka), finall...(Hayata 3-4 Ito at Nojima Cup 2023), finally (Hayata 4-0 at Zennoh Cup Tokyo). Third time is the charm! Key to beating Ito? ISHIDA Daisuke, benched ![]() 金惠美/Kin Hoimei ![]() Physical coach and mom ![]() ![]() ![]() MamaMinori and Matsuzaki, the latter having been benched for a while ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hayata: (Pointing in the direction of Ishida) Stay where you are from now on! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by zeio - 07/23/2023 at 7:20am |
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Since Hayata has almost double the points of her compatriots, can she choose to sit out on some tournaments then?
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Yes, it appears the rules allow it and both Hayata and Harimoto have expressed that they intend to skip the 6th selection trial.
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I don't know if her plans have changed, but I do remember reading she plans on skipping the last trial if she has enough points. Given how far she is ahead of everyone, I see no reason why she couldn't skip it and give herself a much deserved break. Competition is fierce even for players that have no chance of making the team. For players like Odo, Ando, and Yokoi this is their Olympics.
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Team Miki House participating in Jia A (Div 1A) last month, with Shibata/Hashimoto playing for Shenzhen University and Odo/Sato for Ningbo University, seems to have little effect.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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![]() For beating me once ![]() Twice ![]() ![]() Thrice ![]() Dong Qiwen: Don't forget he beat you as well at WTT SCT Ljubljana 2023! ![]() ![]() |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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