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    Posted: 10/13/2019 at 8:49pm
Hi,

Has anyone tried andro rasanter R53? If yes please let me know how it is.
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Anyone?
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Somebody I know went from R50 to R53 and is happy about it.  Nothing first hand, though.
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So you mean to say nothing special about R53?
Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

Somebody I know went from R50 to R53 and is happy about it.  Nothing first hand, though.
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Well, the guy playing it is really enthusiastic about it, and considers it a leap forward over R50.  But he wasn't going into specific, and he happens to be not just a divisuonal player, but a seller as well.

It's new.  No doubt somebody will step forward with firsthand experiences to share soon.  Wait and see is a very powerful approach... :-)
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Thanks.
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Anyone have any experience to share with the rubber?
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I am still so satisfied with R47 I haven't even considered R50...
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there is a review of a new stiga DNA rubbers I am sure rasanter r53 will be very similar. Meaning it will be fast, good touch at the table, excellent grip. Still slower than T05.
I think all these rubbers are almost the same (mx-p,mx-p 50, rasanter 50, rasanter 53, dna pro 50, donic blue storm z1 turbo, etc.... Still when you I think try new Tenergy 05 - it is simply better than all other rubbers listed here. And the prices are going up for all the Tensors (looks like Rasanter 53 is 60Euro) which is now close to tenergy price, I would rather get tenergy than any of the rubbers here...
I think rasanter r53 will be simply a bit faster than r50 and probably even better to return serve short than r50..
Will love to hear actual review, which I am sure will happen soon.
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Thanks.
Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

there is a review of a new stiga DNA rubbers I am sure rasanter r53 will be very similar. Meaning it will be fast, good touch at the table, excellent grip. Still slower than T05.
I think all these rubbers are almost the same (mx-p,mx-p 50, rasanter 50, rasanter 53, dna pro 50, donic blue storm z1 turbo, etc.... Still when you I think try new Tenergy 05 - it is simply better than all other rubbers listed here. And the prices are going up for all the Tensors (looks like Rasanter 53 is 60Euro) which is now close to tenergy price, I would rather get tenergy than any of the rubbers here...
I think rasanter r53 will be simply a bit faster than r50 and probably even better to return serve short than r50..
Will love to hear actual review, which I am sure will happen soon.
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Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

there is a review of a new stiga DNA rubbers I am sure rasanter r53 will be very similar. Meaning it will be fast, good touch at the table, excellent grip. Still slower than T05.
I think all these rubbers are almost the same (mx-p,mx-p 50, rasanter 50, rasanter 53, dna pro 50, donic blue storm z1 turbo, etc.... Still when you I think try new Tenergy 05 - it is simply better than all other rubbers listed here. And the prices are going up for all the Tensors (looks like Rasanter 53 is 60Euro) which is now close to tenergy price, I would rather get tenergy than any of the rubbers here...
I think rasanter r53 will be simply a bit faster than r50 and probably even better to return serve short than r50..
Will love to hear actual review, which I am sure will happen soon.
This is a really sensible and informed view of things. Well put. Though I, myself, have gone from 05 to MX-P and it is still almost half the price of Tenergy and with a small bit of, ummm,...liquid inspiration...nearly as good as 05 and better in some ways. (not as good in others of course; fewer cheap points off random, emergency pushes for example...) But all in all, I totally agree. I may, if I win the lotto, go back to 05. Or, if the ESN rubbers continue to go up in price, I'll go back to Tenergy in protest at the ridiculous ESN pricing.LOL
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Any updates on this thing?
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TTD has the same thread and you can find more info there. I believe OP in this thread got R53 and is very happy with it. 
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Hi,

I use it on my dhs w968 blade.Amazing rubber.Very fast and spinny.And very easy to play short.But use it on a blade with limba outer ply.Might feel too hard on koto or other hard woods.
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Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

there is a review of a new stiga DNA rubbers I am sure rasanter r53 will be very similar. Meaning it will be fast, good touch at the table, excellent grip. Still slower than T05.
I think all these rubbers are almost the same (mx-p,mx-p 50, rasanter 50, rasanter 53, dna pro 50, donic blue storm z1 turbo, etc.... Still when you I think try new Tenergy 05 - it is simply better than all other rubbers listed here. And the prices are going up for all the Tensors (looks like Rasanter 53 is 60Euro) which is now close to tenergy price, I would rather get tenergy than any of the rubbers here...
I think rasanter r53 will be simply a bit faster than r50 and probably even better to return serve short than r50..
Will love to hear actual review, which I am sure will happen soon.

Anyone can get ESN tensor for 30-32 EUR in this forum, just also half of a spare sheet of Tenergy. Durability is worse, but not that much, just only 15-20& less that Tenergy. For me it's not worth the extra money. Just use any M1/MXP and replace it after 3-4 months. 

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Only got it yesterday but here are some thoughts.  (using Long 5X)

Much faster than T05 on medium hits and hard hits.  Similarly fast of soft shots.  

TONS of spin on harder shots.  And shines with counter shots.  Away from the table countering is great.  As you would expect, there is not 'easy access' to spin like T05 or even Joola Rhyzer 50.

Short game is very nice but just based on 2 hrs of training, seems slightly less grippy than Joola Rhyzer 50.

Really great with active blocks, not so great with in-game defensive passive shots against hard loops. More unforced errors but also more outright winners.

I am slightly confused by the rubber in one respect.  Maybe a technique issue or the softer topsheet, but when brush looping with more of a Chinese style stroke I cannot get any consistency.  Even looking at my rubber after, there were dust 'streaks' on the rubber as if there was lots of slippage.  EDIT:  played again just now and brush looping (very low to high with more open face) was much better, but still some slippage.  Never really had slippage with Rhyzer 50.  Definitely need to use much more sponge and it solves the problem)

So i started to hit into the sponge much more-  going much more forward with your stroke-- and it made worlds of difference.   With T05, Rhyzer 50, Vega pro, you can all brush loop Chinese style or hit into the sponge.  R53 'seems' more suited for a European style stroke...but this might just be a technique thing.  But don't get me wrong you can crush through the ball.  But if you are coming from H3 with a brush stroke technique you might be disappointed.  I'll play again tonight and see what happens.

Going from T05 (or Vega Pro) to Rhyzer 50 was super easy adjustment.  But from Rhyzer 50 to Andro R53 quite a difference.  You definitely need a good crisp stroke and of course be very active with foot work so you are in position. 

Lots of 'put-away' power and enough spin to keep the ball on the table but you got to work for it.  My setup is now a whopping 197g.  My arm was a bit tired after the warm-up and flying loops, but I adjusted fine after that first 10mins and no soreness in the arm this morning.



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Good review DarkerMyLove. I posted below on TTD: 

There are some extensive reviews coming out on this rubber (unfortunately for most people it's Japanese). Below is one recently released by WRM. I usually take their reviews with a grain of salt because they tend to exaggerate the strength of a rubber, but in this case it was quite informative. I was also okay because they are comparing R47 with R53, so if anything they are just cannibalizing their own product.


The guy in the middle is among the top players in Japan and is an Andro representative. 

Overall summary:
1. The rubber feels surprisingly softer than they expected. Despite 6 degree difference, they sound almost the same too. They were surprised by how well the sponge grabbed the ball despite testing it on Kanter which is a relatively stiff Balsa blade. They even felt like "the rubber almost does the job for you". 

2. The top sheet is very grippy and it's very easy to lift the ball even when it's dipping below the table. They even said it's easier to lift than using R47, but I would say with a caveat that only if you are an advanced player that can brush the ball. 

3. Much easier to generate spin in serves. They feel the rubber bites the ball very well and it spins the ball well while keeping it short. Whereas with R47, due to its bounciness, the ball gets pushed out more without generating the spin. If you go to the section where Xia (the penholder) serves, he was doing some full stroke serve while still making the ball bounce twice on the opponent's side. 

Overall, they really make it sound like it's a fairly easy rubber to use. At some point they also said it felt softer than R50, likely due to different sponge technology used for R53. 

Below is another review on how well R53 pairs with 5-ply and 7-ply wood blades: Andro Wanokiwami AO and REN.


Overall, they said R53 pairs very well with either blades. 

I did end up buying a sheet when it was on sale last week on TT11, thanks to Airoc's and guni4you's enthusiasm and I plan to slap it on my Acoustic to give it a try maybe in a couple of months. 

I've always loved using boosted H3 on Acoustic but I stepped away from H3 due to the hassle of boosting. Now I'm using Long 5 with D05 but I can't say I like this set up more than Acoustic + H3. Once my D05 wears out, I'll try Acoustic and R53.
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Hey Vik,

Can you slap rasanter on your blade quickly hahahaha. I wanna see how it is compared to dignics ;-)Big smile
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Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

Hey Vik,

Can you slap rasanter on your blade quickly hahahaha. I wanna see how it is compared to dignics ;-)Big smile

Hey guni, I posted a little update here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/topic19924_page30.html#1083131

I will post more updates if I change my opinion or re-affirm it after I get more playtime. 
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Hey Vik,

I am so happy man that you like the rubber.
Originally posted by vik2000 vik2000 wrote:

Originally posted by guni4you guni4you wrote:

Hey Vik,

Can you slap rasanter on your blade quickly hahahaha. I wanna see how it is compared to dignics ;-)Big smile

Hey guni, I posted a little update here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/topic19924_page30.html#1083131

I will post more updates if I change my opinion or re-affirm it after I get more playtime. 
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