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lgxb 
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what is the rating of the guy in red?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48P5nrf-yxQ
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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red shirt guy is amazingly good, probably semi pro if I had to guess. The FH loopkill off a spinny af half long push, and speed of movement to the FH side is nothing normal amateur players would be able to do. Also the service spin/explosiveness and the speed at which he recovers to ready position is also semi pro like.
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I don't think the guy in the original video is jiwei. Jiwei doesn't play Chinese pe hold style from what I know.
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The question is...is that all he had for a backhand or did his opponent dictate playing like that? If his backhand is stuck in 2003 then he's still probably 2300-2400ish. Higher otherwise, possibly much higher. Hard to tell from 1 game vs a guy who does help show off the forehand.
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lgxb
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yeh, that's all he had for a backhand. And that confirms he is not Jiwei. So you think with forehand only he's already 2300-2400ish?
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Jiwei doesn't have a real backhand either and plays a lot like a modified penholder. I am okay with the idea that it isn't him but their styles are very similar and I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Things like grip are pretty superficial with sufficient practice, Dima can play good table tennis with a penholder grip as can Wang Hao with shakehand.
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Jiwei doesnt have a good backhand either, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed grip for some reason.
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It’s not Jiwei.
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This is one of the rare cases that someone is getting way over estimated. There are plenty of amateur players who have "speed of movement to the FH side" like that.
Red shirt looks better in this clip because grey shirt provides no pressure and is basically receiving everything long and passive. You don't need to be semi pro or 2400+ to punish that. Red shirt is a traditional third ball attacker but is clearly much weaker on the backhand and outside of the third ball, as evidenced by the lack of stability in points like 1:55 and 3:00. I could see red shirt being anywhere from 2100-2250. To be more sure, you'd need to see more video against an opponent who doesn't feed everything right into his strength.
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Half the time you need an opponent who pushes him to see a player's ttur rating. Knowing the rating of the feeder opponent would help. But my answer is almost always 2200+. Beyond that I don't know anything else.
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lol, I have a feeling you saw that post. Just want to see the rating difference between CN and US.
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Yeah how the BH performs under pressure against players of similar ability will be key here, and how does he handle more tricky serve returns like the chiquita. Better players won't simply let him execute his FH loopkills like what he did here. I'm not saying anything except that the footwork and FH is semi pro like. I did play with some older semi pros here who have a similar game - however they all get destroyed by the ex provincial player due to their BH weakness - the scores are usually not even close! The guys who don't get destroyed are the ones with long pips on the BH who can disrupt rhythm and spin, but they still generally lose.
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What is the USATT rating range of what you consider a semi-pro?
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The red guy's return of serve would be more often than not killed by any 2400; also he would not have as many opportunities to unload those fh kill loops v. 2400. That relatively poor serve return is a big red flag and makes me think about 2300.
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Not in the US so I have absolutely no idea....
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The poor serve return might be also coz he doesn't feel any pressure or he's just goofing around....same with BH we didn't get any opportunity to see it against someone able to pressure him. Also the other guy has some downright illegal hidden, no toss serves that are really easy to mess up.
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How are you estimating the rating of players in this video if you can't give a rating range for a player of a hypothetical skill level that you are detailing?
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If you read carefully I didn't provide any estimate
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In my mind the rating of a semi pro has to be factored in with age. You start as a player and slowly phase into being a coach and trainer.
I would say 2500 minimum as a baseline for a player from 18 to 40. I'd think a semi-pro would have touched 2600 and maybe 2700 at some point in their careers. If I see a guy who's 2300 plus as an out of shape 50 year old, I figure they were pro or trying to be pro at one point. If they make a living still coaching, etc, I may call them a semi pro.
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