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Shakehand all the way, can't get used to penhold, sorry guys:)

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Shakehand first, then recently penhold. Now can play both equally well -- similar wins/scores against opponents regardless of grip. Every session I play both now actually -- half shakehand, half penhold.

Soon to be: shakehand with penhold-style blade position relative to the hand, i.e., angled grip aka "tenaly".

Why? To combine the best of both shake & pen.
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PENHOLD FTW~ LOL

But it's the players skill that makes them good, not the grip.
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shakehand is awesomely oldschool, barna u sexy thing
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shakehand here
sometimes I think penhold is superior though, too old to switch now :)
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Originally posted by anixon anixon wrote:

You know I think it is IMPOSSIBLE that both styles are equal. One HAS to be better! Just because some people play better with a given style or they both have advantages and disadvantages doesn't mean that overall one is not superior.

They just haven't done any conclusive studies and it would be hard to do. My "guess" is that shakehand is better from my limited experience and from what all the "good" players I have talk to have told me.

Yes, the current top players may be penhold. But I think that says more about individual character, training, dedication and skill that it does grip style. They have been training since they were little children in penhold and it may very well be that's just how they learned; perhaps if they learned shakehand they might of been even more dominant!

This same argument could go for penhold being superior too....

Say you had 100 random professional players at childhood and you had 100 exact clones of each. So you have 200 players. 100 you trained from childhood in penhold. And the other 100 (their counterparts) you trained from childhood in shakehand. I'm SURE that there would be an obvious trend where either penhold players OR shakehand ended up being superior!! This only makes sense!

So my point is there IS a better grip. Just nobody has conclusively proved which on it is.... yet.


LOL!

I play penhold, because it is so cool Big%20smile.
Everybody knows that shakehand is for the girls LOL. So, from scientific point of view, shakehand is better for the girls, and penhold for the boys. Tongue.
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GO GIRLS!!!
 
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Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

GO GIRLS!!!
 
:)


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No its not, SH is for people who ate with forks as children and PH is for people who ate with sticks as children.
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I can play both but i prefer shakehand.
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Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

No its not, SH is for people who ate with forks as children and PH is for people who ate with sticks as children.



Girl, you're right :).


Forkhand style

and

Stickhold style..

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Shakehand player here....

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lol good new names you can present them to the ITTF.  PS I'm not a girl
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Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

No its not, SH is for people who ate with forks as children and PH is for people who ate with sticks as children.


Ironically, I'm Chinese, and I do not like chopsticks (I prefer the spoon and fork since I believe that their combination has greater versatility than chopsticks). I also play penhold. What does that tell you? LOL
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I play shakehand. I know a guy who plays FH with Penhold and switches to shakehand for playing backhand shots, kinda like twiddling.
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Cpen player, and can play fairly e with my left hand as well. I tried shakehand but it cramps me up. I don't play RPB but don't feel hampered since I move fast and prefer attacking with my forehand.

And in my country Cpens are rare, so its cool. :)
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2 of the 3 best players of the world are cpen..anything else??
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Originally posted by Cyrilix Cyrilix wrote:

Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

No its not, SH is for people who ate with forks as children and PH is for people who ate with sticks as children.


Ironically, I'm Chinese, and I do not like chopsticks (I prefer the spoon and fork since I believe that their combination has greater versatility than chopsticks). I also play penhold. What does that tell you? LOL


It tells me that you speak Chinese, and maybe you could make subtitles for Play Table Tennis Right Big%20smile.

Just want to ask you, what Ma Lin says after he wins points, something that sounds like "ko li", "cho li" or "chu li"? Do you now exact pronunciation, and what that means?
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Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

Originally posted by Cyrilix Cyrilix wrote:

Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

No its not, SH is for people who ate with forks as children and PH is for people who ate with sticks as children.


Ironically, I'm Chinese, and I do not like chopsticks (I prefer the spoon and fork since I believe that their combination has greater versatility than chopsticks). I also play penhold. What does that tell you? LOL


It tells me that you speak Chinese, and maybe you could make subtitles for Play Table Tennis Right Big%20smile.

Just want to ask you, what Ma Lin says after he wins points, something that sounds like "ko li", "cho li" or "chu li"? Do you now exact pronunciation, and what that means?


I do speak it, but my writing/reading is very poor. I couldn't tell you what they say, unfortunately, since it doesn't make much sense to me either (I assume it's a pretty generic shout sound). Sometimes, I hear Ma Lin say "alli", which I assume to be "allez" or "let's go" in French.
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I'm neither

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Shakehand born and raised.
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All the sounds the table tennis people make are just sounds. Unless they actually say something like Timo Boll: Ohsa? I duno I'm not german but he says that...

Anyways penhold; I think i already posted O_O
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I don't know why you need too know???? what diff?


Shakehands BTW ;)



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Originally posted by Cyrilix Cyrilix wrote:

Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

Originally posted by Cyrilix Cyrilix wrote:

Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

No its not, SH is for people who ate with forks as children and PH is for people who ate with sticks as children.


Ironically, I'm Chinese, and I do not like chopsticks (I prefer the spoon and fork since I believe that their combination has greater versatility than chopsticks). I also play penhold. What does that tell you? LOL


It tells me that you speak Chinese, and maybe you could make subtitles for Play Table Tennis Right Big%20smile.

Just want to ask you, what Ma Lin says after he wins points, something that sounds like "ko li", "cho li" or "chu li"? Do you now exact pronunciation, and what that means?


I do speak it, but my writing/reading is very poor. I couldn't tell you what they say, unfortunately, since it doesn't make much sense to me either (I assume it's a pretty generic shout sound). Sometimes, I hear Ma Lin say "alli", which I assume to be "allez" or "let's go" in French.
 
Ma Lin says "Chu-Li" which means something like "more come" or "more of those nicely played balls" some might also say "Joy-Lai" which is the Cantonese version.
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

2 of the 3 best players of the world are cpen..anything else??
 
85 of the 100 best players in the world are shakehand.. anything else??
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Shakehand..
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I play shakehand but to be honest IMHO, at a higher level I feel Cpen is better. Cpen allows much more wrist movement. And this gives them the extra kick in their game. Especially on the backhand. A RPB is just more versatile and powerful than a regular shakehand bh. Allows spin to be put on the bh much easier thus giving a better over the table drive as well as awaay from the table.

From the general point of view, as in for all levels of play included I think handshake is easier to control and master first. I think this is the reason why in general there are more shakehand players. But to me this doesn't prove anything because the question was which grip is the better.

So to me, the cpen grip is the best because of the RPD. Because of this i think the cpen fh and bh has become the better stroke which allow more power in the game.

My argument is that if you were to get two of the very best players in the world (for the point of argument lets say they are both way better than the top 3 in the world now). Their skills and speed are both exactly the same and one uses shakehand and the other cpen. The cpen player should win because he is able to get more power in his game with the additional wrist movement.
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shake is easier for children
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

shake is easier for children


And old dudes. And lazy men like me Smile
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