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Asiad 2022 - 早田/平野/木原/長﨑/張本 |
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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From humble beginnings to the current queen of Japan TT. Well done, HH.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Togami gives more insights in Butterfly's interview, responding to Harimoto's comment that he had the upper hand in BH-to-BH exchanges. From TV Tokyo's interview, Harimoto says he still has trouble coping with players with intense firepower that goes beyond his expectations. Even if he had taken G3 and G4, the root cause remained unresolved. He still has to change a big part of his game.
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022024.html Hayata as well, responding to her claim at Nojima Cup last year. https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022052.html
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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張本智和5年ぶりシングルス制覇ならず 悔やむ1本のサーブ「決断が間違�£ていた」…卓球全日本
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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高校生に完敗 精彩欠いた伊藤美誠 まさかの16強敗退に涙「痛めている部分もあり、身体の状態がよくなか�£た」
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/01/027107.html 伊藤美誠まさかの16強敗退に涙「対応力足りない」体に痛みも、タイミング合わず高校生に苦杯 https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2023/01/27/0015999039.shtml Sponichi: We're not suggesting Zennoh will fix the draw next year... LOL 卓球パリ五輪�£表争いは24年全日本が最終局面 今年16強止まりの伊藤美誠が「死のブロック」呼ぶ https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2023/01/29/kiji/20230129s00026000188000c.html Visiting the shrine didn't help. I wonder what the omikuji says. https://erecipe.woman.excite.co.jp/article/Hanakotokyo_354565/ ![]() Edited by zeio - 02/02/2023 at 1:46pm |
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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The one player who has not really been talked about much is Kihara. Granted she had the easiest draw and did not have to face Ito in her half. However, she looks to be physically noticeably stronger than before. And getting the 1st 2 games from Hayata is no joke. She's currently positioned at the #2 spot ahead of Hirano by 22 pts, but Hirano will get an Asian Games boost later in the year, probably 20 points. Competition for that 2nd spot will be extremely tough especially between Kihara and Hirano because if Ito does not get the 2nd spot, she'll most likely get the 3rd spot due to her pairing with Hayata in doubles.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Zennihon 2023 final standings just released.
https://jtta.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/03021427/2023_zennihon_ranking_v3.pdf https://jtta.or.jp/special/10267 https://jtta.or.jp/news/11535 1 Hayata 2 Kihara 3 Yokoi 4 Ishikawa 5 Izumo 6 Sato 7 Suzuki 8 Hirano 9 Nagasaki 10 Kato 11 Odo 12 Harimoto 13 Ito 14 Minagawa 15 Hashimoto 16 Ando Edited by zeio - 02/05/2023 at 1:53pm |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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There is a problem if they use the Zennihon Takkyu 2023 final standings to seed the draw, namely 9 Nagasaki/10 Kato/11 Odo/12 Harimoto. Among Nagasaki, Kato, and Odo, one of them must be placed in the lower half, which violates the separation. Same issue for 13 Ito/14 Minagawa/15 Hashimoto/16 Ando. Among Ito, Minagawa, and Ando, one of them must be placed in the upper half.
Based on final standings at Zennihon Takkyu 2023 ![]() http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1137307
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1130033
Based on final standings at Zennihon Takkyu 2022 ![]() Namba lost to Odo but she had to draw among 5[9], [10]28, [11]21, and 12[12]. Hirano lost to Sato and so she only had to draw between [11]21 and [10]28. Ishikawa lost to Kato and so was drawn to [10]28. Mori lost to Kihara and so was drawn to 5[9]. Hashimoto lost to Hayata and so she only had to draw between 4[16] and 13[13]. Ando lost to Kimura and so was drawn to 4[16]. Shibata lost to Ito and so she only had to draw between [14]20 and [15]29. Nomura lost to Nagasaki and so was drawn to [14]20. Edited by zeio - 02/13/2023 at 10:51am |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Given the above, it can be concluded the "separation of players based on previous encounter" is essentially a positive feedback loop, which tends to destabilize the system. It nullifies, or more appropriately, destroys the "seeding", which is effectively a negative feedback loop.
ITO Jyota (and KONNO Noboru who complained in a more subtle way): Ishikawa failed to qualify for WTTC 2022 because of poor luck in the draw, meeting Hayata in the QF. JTTA: How do you like Ishikawa vs Ito or Hayata vs Ito in the R16? Edited by zeio - 02/03/2023 at 6:45am |
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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I suppose anything can happen, but I'm operating under the belief that they'll use the Zennoh Funabashi results to see Paris 2024 Trial #4. I can understand why they used the 2022 All Japan to seed Paris #1. It was the 1st trial so they needed something to start off the seeding and why not the most recent at the time domestic tournament where all the best players are playing. Now that the race is well under way, it makes sense to seed the next Paris tournament from the previous Paris tournament.
Assuming it's Funabashi, this looks to be a good development for Hirano because she is separated from Hayata and Hirano's top 8 competitor will be Sato. Kihara is also in the opposite half of Hayata, but her top 8 competitor is Miwa. Although she's beaten Miwa before, if I were her, I'd much rather face Sato than Miwa. Ito is in the same half as Hayata and has Shibata in her quarter as well. So Mima has a tough road ahead of her in seeking that 2nd spot. But who knows, Mima started off the race very badly losing to Nagasaki and clawed her way back up in 2022.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Kihara's and Harimoto's.
2023年全日本卓球 女子シングルス2位 木原美悠「悔しい部分もあるけど、2位になれて本当に良か�£た」 https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022054.html 2023年全日本卓球 男子シングルス2位 張本智和「相手が想像以上のことをしてきても動じない力をつけたい」 https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/022055.html
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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FWIW, Mima is really struggling going into next week's WTT Contender. She lost the 1 game victory match against Cheng I-Ching in T-League and took it really hard:
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Mori & Hayata: Take it easy, Mima-chan. We're playing the leagues just for fun (and money).
To see Ito trying so hard in a USELESS league match (.5 pts, FFS) like that is disheartening. What kind of selection system would let OUTSIDE FORCES be a FACTOR? |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Murakami gives his reasoning on fielding Ito for the victory match. Needless to say, ITO Jyota has a word as well...
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2023/02/04/0016021891.shtml https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/561e51b7b392e7f1c0bfecd203b512c7e17a7662
Tリーグ4�£覇中の日本生命、プレーオフ争いへ痛い黒星 伊藤美誠は涙 https://hochi.news/articles/20230204-OHT1T51157.html?page=1 Tリーグ・トップ名古屋、初のプレーオフへ大きな1勝 鄭怡静が伊藤美誠を破る https://hochi.news/articles/20230204-OHT1T51216.html?page=1 Edited by zeio - 02/05/2023 at 1:47am |
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KiwiPong ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 08/08/2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 277 |
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Totally agree....but that certainly did NOT put her in the right mindset to go to a WTTC even in less than a week
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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Down but not out. Mima Ito gets back on her feet earlier today with a convincing 3-0 win over Shibata in TLeague earlier today:
Happy to see her winning and smiling again. It would have been devastating having a 2nd loss going into the Contender Amman.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Ito said Hayata gave her "psychological counseling" through LINE the previous night. LOL
https://hochi.news/articles/20230205-OHT1T51093.html?page=1
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2023/02/05/0016024468.shtml
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Togami's interview with TAKAGI Mina. Togami says match-up is part of the reason behind his win over Harimoto and he still can't perform at will against CNT players, revealing that his head was blank when playing FZD and WCQ at WTTC 2022.
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/856366?page=2
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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Kasumi's influence extends beyond Japan. She was chosen over Mima Ito and Miyuu Kihara as one of the top 20 representatives of Star Contender Goa. Hayata is the other Japanese female in top 20 that was chosen. Outside top 20 that will play are Hirano, Harimoto, and Nagasaki.
The 6 players from top 20 chosen: Female: Sun Yingsha Chen Meng Hina Hayata Kasumi Ishikawa Doo Hoi Kem Han Ying Male: FZD ML Harimoto Moregard LYJ Jorgic Edited by pongfugrasshopper - 02/07/2023 at 4:52pm |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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That would explain why Ito "opted" for WTT CT Amman. She had no choice.
WTT CT Amman https://jtta.or.jp/tour/10769 WTT SCT Goa https://jtta.or.jp/tour/10929 Edited by zeio - 02/08/2023 at 4:48am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023_6_SEN_WS.html
TTWR 2023 Week 6 comes with date of expiry for points accrued. Hayata and Ito face the most pressure before WTTC 2023 in May, 1100 (600+500) and 700 pts, respectively. As other top players also face the same situation, Kihara and Hirano will rise in ranking, without having to do a thing. https://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1126297
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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ITTF Successful Visits Reinforces Commitment to Table Tennis Growth in Japan
https://www.ittf.com/2023/02/02/ittf-successful-visits-reinforces-commitment-table-tennis-growth-japan/ |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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pongfugrasshopper ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/22/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3471 |
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She has a tough R16: winner of CIC vs. Kuai Man. My pick between CIC vs. Kuai Man is CIC. She's been playing very well as of late, but you never know how it will go vs. China's top junior.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Given CIC lost to Fan Siqi at WTT CT Doha 2023, if Kuai Man can play like she does at home, then CIC has no chance. In other words, it depends on Kuai Man and not CIC.
The last time CIC beat a CNT player goes back to Hong Kong Open 2019, where she beat HZJ 4-3 in R16. Tieba users are totally ignoring CIC... https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8223244878 https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8251229290 Edited by zeio - 02/08/2023 at 11:54am |
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kindof99 ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02/07/2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4144 |
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Don't see much logical thinking here.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Seriously. CIC is roughly the same level as DHK now. Look how DHK played Kuai Man.
Look up who Kuai Man lost to in 2022 and 2023 and you will see a pattern of players/styles she has trouble with. Kuai Man plays well against the most common style. WTT CT Muscat 2/2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jGLZt-uGFk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-N5ka-_BE WTT CT Doha 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RzrlK7eUY Edited by zeio - 02/08/2023 at 12:33pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
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apacible ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 07/28/2019 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 127 |
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That T.League weekend was really a rollercoaster of emotions for Ito such that the TV Tokyo Table Tennis Youtube channel even posted a special video entitled "[Tearful revenge] Mima Ito "It's been a long time since I won and cried." From Bitter Tears to Happy Tears" The loss against CIC was particularly tough and understandable: (1) Red Elf is in 4th place and is in danger of missing the playoffs. It needed a win against 3rd place Top Nagoya to strengthen their chances of making the playoffs (only the top 3 regular season teams make it) (2) Ito was up 4-0 and 7-4 in the VM, so she was in a good position to win. She lost like 3 or 4 points to lucky net balls towards the end of the game, so I think the way she lost where she blew a decent lead was hard to take. (3) Compounding this loss on top of her early exit in the All Japan added salt to her wounds (4) Ito rarely loses to non-Chinese foreigners and takes these losses harder than most. I've never seen Ito break down in tears before even reaching the bench to sit down after a loss. Ito seems to be the type to cry and express her sadness by herself, but this time, she shared and expressed her sadness with her teammates and with the coaching staff right after the loss. Kudos to her teammates and the coaching staff for effectively consoling her, and I feel that their support lifted Ito's morale for the next day's match. Against Shibata, Ito's serve and receive game was on point. Shibata couldn't return Ito's serves and had difficult dealing with her variations. Ito was also keeping up in the rallies and made few mistakes. It's also a rare occasion to see Ito in tears after a Victory, especially during her matches from 2019 onwards (Olympic Games XD QF being the only exception). From 2019 onwards, Ito has often been very tempered and mellow in her victory celebrations (See 2019 All Japan, 2020 Top 12, 2021 OG Bronze Medal, 2022 All Japan, 2022, 2nd Road to Paris Trials, and all the WTT Contenders and Star Contenders Ito has won so far) Judging Ito's current reactions, it's clear the situation she's facing now feels a lot different from that in 2019-2022. In a way, it's refreshing to see Ito openly express these emotions to remind us that despite being a professional, at the end of the day, she's still human like all of us. An Interesting note: Matsusaki, Ito's personal coach, wasn't on the bench on both days. Ito was mainly receiving advice from Murakami. I wonder if Coach Matsusaki will be on Ito's bench in Amman. |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Matsuzaki's name is there for WTT CT Amman.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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ITO Jyota didn't disappoint, this time taking aim at Kihara and defending Ishikawa and Shibata, while conveniently ignoring the latter two's international win rate for the Paris 2024 period, which happen to be the lowest among the top 8.
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apacible ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 07/28/2019 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 127 |
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Ito was didn't have a bench coach in her match against Akula. I wonder what happened to Matsuzaki. See timestamps 1:21:42 and 1:29:20 and 1:40:10 of the Youtube video of her match:
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10424 |
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Given Ito's recent circumstances, is it possible they're having a fight?
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