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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I think LJK and QTY have silver and not bronze.

I guess it's a tongue in cheek remark, he's called TH/HH bronze medallists in the past because of abysmal performances in the finals.
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MD F
ML/WCQ vs FZD/LGY
911
114
911
910, 1311
30 TO for FZD/LGY, 44, 47, 77 LGY blew that fade flick, 78 LGY made amend with that BH loopkill, 88 LGY missed that FH short push, 89 ML missed the FH loop on FZD's spinny push, 810 WCQ missed the chiquita, 811. And WCQ swatted that last ball away!

You gotta be very uninterested to sleep among that crowd.


Fan Zatoichi Dong: Believe!




LGY: Believe!


Still not happy.


JWJ: Let me crack you up.



This is KOR, no place for JPN.


ML: This good-for-nothing.


Believe!








LGY: Gotta pay tribute to heaven.
WCQ: Even heaven doesn't like me?


Edited by zeio - 09/09/2023 at 5:05am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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WS F
SYS vs WMY
45 TO for WMY, 410, 510, 511





WMY: I'm back. We'll meet again in WS at Paris 2024.




WMY: I'm back.


CXT/WYD: She's back.


WMY: I'm back.


China: It's missing one 5-star Red Flag.



WMY: I'm back.





Edited by zeio - 09/09/2023 at 8:11am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Unable to watch the women's final, but happy to see Manyu win something.
Please if anyone @zeio @pongfugrasshopper @Tony's Table Tennis and anyone else can help me with a Chinese, korean, or Japanese livestream of the semifinal and final matches tomorrow. I'll be very grateful. Tomorrow could be something historic, best to watch it live.
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China's IP needed.
https://www.miguvideo.com/p/live/120000472391

CCTV5 live streams without the need for China's IP.
https://www.right.com.cn/forum/thread-8302203-1-1.html

Edited by zeio - 09/09/2023 at 9:07am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=93442&PID=1144503&title=attc-2023-pyeongchang-9-310#1144503
Quote Harimoto/Hayata on 0-3 LGY/WYD, and that the bandaged wrist had nothing to do with injuries or the results
https://weibo.com/2011739333/Ni4NMzGJu
#张本智和说输球还是对手实力更高#张本和早田混双赛后采访,两个人都觉得第二局的失利对整场影响比较大,张本智和说不到11分就不算赢,关键球林高远处理的很好,今天中国组合的实力比自己更高一些。
#林高远王艺迪混双晋级四强#


Turns out he injured somewhere around his thumb during warmup on the day of MT (not specified but 9/4, which would explain why he skipped the position matches against KAZ and IRI the next day), that it would be a lie if it did not affect him, but whether it be techniques, tactics, psyche as well as injuries, it is his responsibility.

On 1-3 Noroozi, Harimoto said he felt ok during practice but things were still different in the match, and he couldn't handle Noroozi's serve in their first encounter. He praised Noroozi for having very good serves and making few errors in the rallies.

Harimoto says his confidence in playing good matches when in form remains strong, but outside of that there are many immaturities and areas to pay attention and he wants to prepare well for the Asian Games.

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2023/09/029877.html
Quote ■張本智和 試合後インタビュー

ーーアジア選手権を終えて

�£体戦の当日にウォーミングアップ中に自分の不注意で親指付近を痛めてしま�£たので、その影響がないと言�£たら嘘になりますがそのせいでもないので、怪我を含めて技術や戦術、心技体すべて自分の責任なのでしょうがないかなと思います。

もちろん勝ちたか�£たですが怪我はつきものですし、今回みたいに当日怪我するケースは初めてですがそれも含めて自分の人生なので、怪我をした自分が悪か�£たと言うしかないかなと思います。

ーー�£�権は考えなか�£た?

練習した感じは悪くなか�£たんですがや�£ぱり練習と試合は違いますし、相手もアジア選手権にかけてきてると思うので、その中で練習とは違う感覚でミスが増えたり初対戦の相手のサーブに処理ができなか�£たです。相手のサーブも上手でラリーもミスなく粘�£てきたので、相手も良いプレーだ�£たと思います。

ーーこの後の1年をどう過ごしていきたい?

Tリーグや国際大会では良いプレーができているので、自分の状態が良ければき�£と良いプレーができるという自信は揺らがないですが、こういう試合以外の面でまだまだ気をつけるところや未熟なところが多いので、まずは次のアジア競技大会(9月22日~)までに万全にして臨みたいと思います。
Viscaria FL - 91g
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Interesting insight from Tanaka on 3-2 WCQ. He expresses his gratitude to his physiotherapist 香川英信/KAGAWA Hidenobu for body maintenance and bench coach 李龍�£�/Li Longfei for game plan. On perfectly handling WCQ's shovel serve at 12:12 in G2, Tanaka says that in the MT match between Harimoto and WCQ, he learned that the shovel serve was mostly topspin, and while he was prepared, that turned out to be case in the match. He is glad that intel proved useful. Even though he wasn't as confident in the rallies, they were easier to handle than he imagined and that gave him confidence. (Interestingly, Togami felt the same about WCQ after WTTC 2021.)

https://www.butterfly.co.jp/takurepo/tournament/detail/023103.html
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 もちろん王楚欽選手を倒そうと思�£て試合に臨みましたが、本当に実現するとは思�£ていなか�£たので本当にうれしいです。
 いつも帯同していただいている香川(英信)さんに体のメンテナンスをしていただいて、李(龍�£�)コーチにベンチで作戦を立てていただいて、サポートしてくれるメンバーがいてすごい心強か�£たです。
 今の王楚欽との試合で一気にオリンピックに近づけたんじゃないかと思�£ているし、慢心せずに、次戦のアチ�£ンタ(インド)は以前負けている選手なので、頑張りたいと思います。明日は3試合あるので、ベスト4まで一気に駆け上がりたいと思�£ています。
(2ゲーム目のジュースで王楚欽のエースサービスの巻き込みサービスに見事に対応されましたが、どのような準備をしていたのですか?)今回、�£体戦で張本選手が王楚欽と対戦していて、巻き込みサービスはアップ系が多いと聞いていたので、準備はしていましたが、実際にアップ系が多か�£たと思います。その情報が役に立�£てよか�£たです。
(打ち合いでも互角以上でしたが)自信はそこまでありませんでしたが、思�£たよりもボールに対応できたことは自信になりました。


Edited by zeio - 09/09/2023 at 2:35pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Tieba users are poking fun at WCQ for that.

遮球被破�£了,终于 (Hidden serve got cracked, finally)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8590465010
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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WD SF
Kihara/Nagasaki vs WMY/CM
66, 86, 97, 107, 108, 118
30, 32. 42, 45, 55, 56, 76 CM has some trouble dealing with Nagasaki's serve, 77, 87, 88, 98 same for WMY with Kihara's serve, 99, 119 Nagasaki takes 2 off of WMY's serve!
02, 12 CM drops 2 points on Kihara's serve, 32 TO for CHN, 34, 44, 45, 55 Kihara's 推挑/block-flick is causing tons of trouble, 75, 77 two kick serves from CM, 78, 88 CM having trouble keeping up in rallies, 89, 99, 911
10, 12, 22, 29, 39, 310, 510, 511
03 TO for JPN, 04, 14 CM serves into the net, 24, 25 Kihara misses the FH backspin opener, 35 Nagasaki hangs in there, 36 Kihara misses the block-flick, 37, 47 WMY still has trouble keeping Kihara's serve tight, 48, 78 Nagasaki strong in the rallies, 88 Kihara's back, 810 Kihara risks the receiving, 811

2 points in a row for Nagasaki there






From 7:5







Emotion management: MLin < Wang Rui


W Zatoichi Miyu smile




Edited by zeio - 09/09/2023 at 10:24pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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If only Kihara and Nagasaki were as good as Hirano and Hayata in singles...
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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JJH/SYB vs SYS/WMYD
511
115
78 TO for CHN, 88, 810, 910, 911
03 TO for KOR, 23, 24, 44, 45, 55, 57, 67, 68, 88, 810 JJH drops two points, 811









Emotion management: Qiu Yike > MLin


Viscaria FL - 91g
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

If only Kihara and Nagasaki were as good as Hirano and Hayata in singles...

Same here.
Viscaria FL - 91g
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MS SF
FZD vs LJK
21, 31, 32, 42, service warning for LJK, 43, 53, 65, 68, 78, 79 dead net for LJK, 89, 810, 1110, 1111, 1211, 1212, 1312, 1313, 1413 slight endline edge for FZD and TO for FZD, 1414, 1514 FZD's kick serve ACE took LJK totally by surprise, 1516, 1716, 1717, 1917 FZD recovered from a receive pop-up
03, 13, 66, 76 TO for LJK, 710, 810, 811
20, 21, 31, 32, 72, 75 LJK turns to high-toss serve, 85, 95, 97, 117
02, 22 epic FH from FZD, 23, 53, 57 FZD missed the fishing lob, 58, 68, 78 FZD turns to kick serve, 118. FZD drops 5 in a row only to takes 6 in another row.

ML vs LYJ
02, 22, 23, 33, 34, 64, 67, 107, 108, 118
50, 51, 61, 72, 82, 83, 93, 94, 114
01, 21, 23, 53 TO for LYJ, 54 ML served long and off the table, 55 epic BH from LYJ, 85, 87 epic FH from LYJ, 97, 98, 118






Emotion management: WH = Qiu Yike > Mlin



Edited by zeio - 09/10/2023 at 12:15am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Any stream? No luck with zeio's links above.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Finally, another ML FZD match
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Ma Long was thoroughly prepared for the long serve to the backhand and middle today, I'm surprised to see LYJ attempt that much after the first couple of serves didn't work as he wanted in the 2nd and 3rd set, I was expecting a closer contest. The 2nd and 3rd set was a battle of wits, the backhand wide to the forehand came to ML's rescue a lot. An efficient way to open the game up away from LYJ's backhand strength.
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Ma Long was thoroughly prepared for the long serve to the backhand and middle today, I'm surprised to see LYJ attempt that much after the first couple of serves didn't work as he wanted in the 2nd and 3rd set, I was expecting a closer contest. The 2nd and 3rd set was a battle of wits, the backhand wide to the forehand came to ML's rescue a lot. An efficient way to open the game up away from LYJ's backhand strength.

I found it depressing to be honest, that LYJ was so thoroughly contained by that game plan given how well he usually plays against ML and how old ML is.  Is there no hope to beat these CNT tactics?
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Semifinalists SYS/WYD, JJH/SYB
Silver medalists Kihara/Nagasaki










CM/WMY: We're back.





Wang Yi: “We should know where our roots are.”




Edited by zeio - 09/10/2023 at 2:55am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:


Emotion management: WH = Qiu Yike > Mlin

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When will men's final start?

Edited - nvm, the time is now



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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I found it depressing to be honest, that LYJ was so thoroughly contained by that game plan given how well he usually plays against ML and how old ML is.  Is there no hope to beat these CNT tactics?

Only China can get through China! LOL
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
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MS F
FZD vs ML
45, 55, 56, 76 epic block from FZD on ML's FH pivot flick-kill, 711. 5 in a row for ML.
01 TO for FZD, 02, 22, 23, 93, 94, 104, 105, 115. Critical TO for FZD, he lost 6 in a row from the end of G1, had to break ML's streak at all costs. That's how he always lost the initiative to ML.
01, 31 slight net for FZD, 32, 42 FZD saves a slight net and BH loop parallel instead, 44, 54, 55, 65, 66 surprise FH push-to-flick from FZD but ML saves it, 67, 77, 97 FZD pins ML to the middle and backhand so ML couldn't pivot, 117
01, 21 FZD clipped the net with that FH pivot, 23 slight net for ML, 24 long serve from ML, 26, 36, 38 dead net for ML, 39, 49, 410, 510, 511
10, 11, 21, 22, 32, 34, 44, 46, 56, 58, 68, 611

ML is fortunate to have FZD and Tanaka.
WCQ: Jots down Tanaka on "Entity List".
Tanaka: What have I done?

WH eats into ML's era just as ML eats into FZD's era. Will FZD eat into WCQ's era? (Looking up WCQ's DOB...) Never mind.

Ma Zatoichi Long


WH: 坐山觀虎鬥 is so fun.











LJK: I'm here for the bronze.


LYJ: Only 2 CNT players at Asian Games. Podium finish secured.


FZD: My target is WCQ.




ML: I'm back.



ML: I surrender.




China: Mapping of East Asia complete.



A big thank you to ATTU and KTTA for geo-blocking this amazing event.


Edited by zeio - 09/10/2023 at 5:13am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Ma Long...nearly 35....winning what is probably the thoughest competition  with the WTTC and the Chinese championships....and winning 3-2 Vs FZD (n°1 with a big margin)....Nothing more to add.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Ma Long was thoroughly prepared for the long serve to the backhand and middle today, I'm surprised to see LYJ attempt that much after the first couple of serves didn't work as he wanted in the 2nd and 3rd set, I was expecting a closer contest. The 2nd and 3rd set was a battle of wits, the backhand wide to the forehand came to ML's rescue a lot. An efficient way to open the game up away from LYJ's backhand strength.

I found it depressing to be honest, that LYJ was so thoroughly contained by that game plan given how well he usually plays against ML and how old ML is.  Is there no hope to beat these CNT tactics?
There is hope, only that for the hope to become a reality; everything has to fall in place.
This particular match was decided mostly in the first 3 balls, LYJ wasn't as careful as ML and things just fell apart quickly. Plus his forehand wasn't up to the task today ( he couldn't get anything much despite barraging ML's backhand, and he hastened to attack because he was desperate).
The match ML Vs LJH in the WTTC was also a masterclass in how to guard the opening exchanges in the right direction. LJH and LYJ should not be bagelled on a normal day. 


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For a World No 1, FZD makes a lotta errors on receive. The errors coated him against Alexis Lebrun, almost cost him against LYJ a few days ago but he somehow escaped, but ML didn't let him get away with it today.

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Changing topic somewhat, Wang Manyu and Fan Zhendong are often called players not respected for their doubles play, despite being World Championship winners in doubles (the titles are often attributed to the impact of their great partners).  Do their titles here affect that assessment or is it still unchallenged?
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