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    Posted: 09/02/2023 at 10:45am
I’ve been away from the sport for a while but returning soon. I’ve enjoyed inventorying all my old gear.  I have a general question, though, so please point me to the thread if it has already been asked recently.  My inquiry, though, is if Butterfly has been regarded as having the most popularity among experienced players (probably more than all other manufacturers combined), which brand would be considered as being in second place from a quality of manufacture perspective, and would it be a close second or distant second place.  Please limit it to all-wood offensive style (OFF, OFF-, or OFF+).  I happen to use shake hand FL style.  Sometimes the EJ in me wants to re-evaluate my existing inventory since the ball changed to the poly ball since I was last playing. Thanks!

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I am thinking either Stiga or Xiom, more likely Xiom because Stiga can have major quality control issues.  But for all wood blades there are probably many other good brands and Joola and Tibhar have done reasonably well too.

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Thanks!  I do have a Primorac all-wood, among other blades, so wondering between Yasaka, Stiga, Nitakku, Tibhar, Donic, et al would have a well-made all-wood offensive blade that is not head-heavy (or have a hollow handle) and comes with a FL grip at least as big as (or larger) than they typical BTY FL grip.  (For me, the ideal grip is like the one used on the BTY PC or old SC.). Point taken regarding inconsistent Stiga QC. 
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In terms of quality, DHS has been catching up to Butterfly since WTTC 2015 and Rio 2016.

Nittaku used to be a close second. Still second in the domestic market, but has been challenged by Victas in recent years.

Stiga has been in decline the past decade.

Wood House, mostly sourced by Yasaka and Donic, has not changed much and still a small fry.
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In my eyes the actual Stiga blades are far away from the 2nd place. Nittaku, Darker, Tibhar, ... there are several brands with better quality blades. For example Nittaku has really good blades like Acoustic, Violin, Tenor, Goriki, Ludeack and Barwell, which are at least as good as Butterfly blades, for me they are better. Butterfly may still have the first place if we talk about composite blades.
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Of the major manufacturers in my experience it's Nittaku without a doubt. Next tier Xiom, Tibhar, Joola. Then Donic and Stiga. Much smaller OSP is as good or better than Butterfly.
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Thanks for all the comments.  Does Nittaku still have a FL grip that’s only the small side, or do they make a blade with a grip the size of PC/SC?  (In only mention PC/SC because I don’t know of any current production models with handles that size.). I can no longer find one-piece slip-on overgrip, so I like the idea of a larger FL on a well-made all-wood blade suitable for the 40+ ball. 
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My two cents: a couple of decades ago I bought a Stiga Offensive CR. It played fabulous! I immediately bought a second as a backup. It played nothing like the first, neither did the third one I purchased.

I currently play with a Butterfly Timo Boll ALC. I own 4 of them. I don't actually notice which one I  use, they are so similar.

Now, my Stiga experience was quite a while ago, and it was an all  wood blade. Maybe there was more variation, I can't say. But it put me off Stiga for years.
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I’m like that.  When I find a blade I like, I always buy a second one.  There have only been a couple models I owned three of, but it’s great to have two of the same setups for tournaments.  
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I can't find the point of this topic. It looks like a spam. Many people are so much focused on the equipment, that they forgot to go in the hall and to have pleasure from the game. Or they spent so much time on testing. There is always one great option - visit the nearest mixed brands tt shop around you and make comparison personal. Blade must be comfy in the hand and equipped with the correct rubbers for your needs. This is much more important - the combination with rubbers. Otherwise I can bet with you I can make even your favorite blade so much bad for you with the wrong type of rubbers, even if they are BTY/STIGA/DONIC/TIBHAR/VICTAS/XIOM/JOOLA/ANDRO or something else. For a pity, new rubbers are pretty expensive, but you can order from some sites like tt11 or dandoy several rubbers so you can use discount. I have many old and good blades and I have spent lot of time in testing, do not repeat that waste of time, but enjoy the game. I have both old and new BTY Primo blades they are completely different blades as feeling. Some of the elder metal tag Primo Off- blades with metal logo on the handle and handles made by genuine wood in the end of 1980's/early 1990's are very fast blades with big catapult effect, if you are looking for some of these I will tell you GOOD LUCK only, none of the current manufacturers are even close to such a blade. That's why elder primo off- are expensive blades today, but you can't be sure even if you spent 250-300 eur you will get absolutely the same like yours. If I was at you - I am going in the store and buy 4-5 blades from the last batch from the model I like mostly and then - two pairs of rubbers according my needs. And problem is 100000% solved. Good luck!
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Kolevtt- Thanks for your comments. I think you likely missed the point of the thread as you mentioned.  It was not about rubbers or enjoyment of the game, but rather an objective look at current quality of manufacturing with an emphasis on all-wood flared grip blades.  Since I’m returning to the sport, my inquiry was to gauge changes in the manufacturing industry over the last decade or so, and some members chimed in with very insightful comments.  This is doubly helpful for me because there are no stores in my area where a person can walk in and check out, but is all mail order, so after ordering a blade, I’m stuck with it as soon as I glue up.  So I’m picking up where I left off (pre-40+), but should the desire arise to update, I was asking,.. (well, now you get the idea).  I think I’m good now. 

Thanks, guys, for the comments. 

EDIT:  PS… not sure about the earlier post from someone that was in a different language.  


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Originally posted by seasterl seasterl wrote:

Kolevtt- Thanks for your comments. I think you likely missed the point of the thread as you mentioned.  It was not about rubbers or enjoyment of the game, but rather an objective look at current quality of manufacturing with an emphasis on all-wood flared grip blades.  Since I’m returning to the sport, my inquiry was to gauge changes in the manufacturing industry over the last decade or so, and some members chimed in with very insightful comments.  This is doubly helpful for me because there are no stores in my area where a person can walk in and check out, but is all mail order, so after ordering a blade, I’m stuck with it as soon as I glue up.  So I’m picking up where I left off (pre-40+), but should the desire arise to update, I was asking,.. (well, now you get the idea).  I think I’m good now. 

Thanks, guys, for the comments. 

EDIT:  PS… not sure about the earlier post from someone that was in a different language.  


If you can't visit a tt store then you can check the bats of players in the halls around you at some competition, for example. But you are talking for some returning in the sport after 40+ balls, right? In this case quality of the blade doesn't matters once you are not absolutely sure which rubbers you will play. Each manufacturer has a good quality blades, at least this is a blade, not a fuse for the space.
All my life I am researching for information about tt blades and I got a conclusion yet. Most important is the combination blade+rubbers, not only the blade. If you are looking for a good results you need to look for good combination and not only a blade. Sometimes people even don't know what means a good quality blade, because mostly they are looking different comments in the web or pictures in catalogues. If you are satisfied with your old Primo Off- better look for the same after you check its correct weight and thickness of the playing surface with electrical caliper. New blades are usually more harder and built different, even if the construction is the same.
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Hi seasterl, it's so good to have you back. I bought several blades from you back in the days around 2010 (my handle used to be fatt).

Look at my FS ad there. If you are interested in testing something feel free to borrow me a blade or 2 and send back to me when yo uare done. Shpping to you at no charge (welcome back gift!)

I remember you liked faster blades. There are plenty of options out there but frankly, you'd better engage with SDC - forum member hipnotic - and build your own with him. He's the very best active today at the blade building game, he deals with all kind of composite materials and will understand where you are coming from and where you want to go. Good luck with that LOL.

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Thanks, Stiltt!  It’s good to be back. I’m good friends with Kevin of American Hinoki and he made some custom blades for me which I still have.  For a while I enjoyed carbons with soft rubbers but gravitated to single-ply with hard Chinese tacky and stayed there for a long time for power-loops in 6-8 foot range.   I was hoping to return sooner, but a medical issue set me back an entire year.  I’m hoping next week will be my first time hitting again and we’ll see what this new ball brings.  I remember I was consumed with the sport six days a week for years and then laying it aside to raise a family. That’s life, but no regrets.  Family first.  

Peace to you, my friend, and the others here, too. 
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both Xiom and Joola in the 2nd place because both are produced by a Korean company that the quality and finish can rival Butterfly's quality. It has better quality than Nittaku IMHO. 
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I have a could of yasaka W7 blades. They are not the best in terms of finish and appearance, but they play very well and nearly identical in weight, characteristics, ie the things that really count!
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FYI, I was told by several Chinese brands that they can imitate the level of quality of a Butterfly blade but it will also drive up the costs since you will have to buy better quality materials and also betetr quality finish during production.
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Thanks for the comments!  It sounds as if the Japanese- and Korean-made blades like BTY and Xiom, on average may be the current leaders in quality of blade production in terms of fit, finish, and consistency of quality.  Not to take anything away from the Swedish or Chinese based brands because, and from what I’m reading here, they’re capable of improved refinement and consistency, but find their target consumer prioritizes value over perfection and maybe they keep manufacturing steps (costs) down, sell for less, and still make a profit.  
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For all wood blades of high quality I would encourage you to carefully look at OSP blades.  I have several now and have had others.  They are all hand made and he can custom make one for you also  Smile
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JoeB & Slowhand - Thanks!  I just checked out the OSP site. Impressive looking!

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