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    Posted: 12/28/2010 at 8:30pm
I want to transition from a offensive style game where I make too many mistakes to a more careful game.

Any combo blade & rubber suggestions for inverted pushing and smash game.  Just over the table underspin pushing style - with the aim of making the opponent make the first mistake or pop-up for a kill.  Don't want pips.



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You should look for something like DHS Hurricane 2 or 3 or some similar tacky Chinese rubber. If you plan on playing close to the table, you will want something that gives you great spin on serves and close-to-the-table power.

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Reflectoid on the Backhand and something not very spinny but smashable on the FH (not a tacky)

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I have an LKT Instinct+2xReflectoid.
I call it my warm up paddle but often I just play with it.
Reflectoid is very easy to play with and does just about everything well but, it is not the best rubber for trading shots way behind the table.  At that point the rubber is best for chopping.   I like Reflectoid on my FH too.  I can do slow spinny openning loops that spin of the opponents paddle or I can tuck the ball close behind the net at an extreme angle where it can't be reached.  I can flick back spin serves or push.  here is no need for speed close to the table.   You should be thinking about how you are going to survive the first few balls.   Reflectoid makes surviving the first few balls easier. 
The best part is the blocking.  If you can get the paddle in front of the ball you can get it over even when the ball is hit extremely hard.  This means that you can survive many hard shots you wouldn't have otherwise.  Often these ball bounce back so fast you catch the opponent admiring his shot only to be surprised.

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Work on your mistakes and try to perfect your strokes 
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is reflectoid like DHs PF4? 
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Originally posted by Pioneer Pioneer wrote:

Work on your mistakes and try to perfect your strokes 


if I wanted to improve my offensive style game that would be the reasonable option.

but if I wanted to improve only my rating fast, i'm thinking the easiest way to win more games is just to let the other player make the first mistake. And to do this I thought i'd switch to a combo more conducive to safe play.
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

Originally posted by Pioneer Pioneer wrote:

Work on your mistakes and try to perfect your strokes 


if I wanted to improve my offensive style game that would be the reasonable option.

but if I wanted to improve only my rating fast, i'm thinking the easiest way to win more games is just to let the other player make the first mistake. And to do this I thought i'd switch to a combo more conducive to safe play.
You wanna be a moderate defender oriented player ... then IMO Pips-out rubbers will help you a lot even I noticed that you don't want to use them Wink 
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Reflectoid is really good both for chopping and blocking.
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At this stage it might sound ok to push over the table and wait for your opponent to miss or pop one up but unfortunately it won't get you very far at all. Once you hit a certain level players simply don't miss very much and just loop pushes for winners. Get an allround blade and keep working on your attack. Slow things down a little and aim to always get your first loop on. If you can do this you are half way there.  
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Gambler Reflectoid in 1.5 mm. is excellent choice. You will block, push and punch your way through the loopers with it. Thumbs Up
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actually,if you wait for your opponent to make the first mistake,it won't help you to improve at all,if you don't dare to attack,you'll lose the point,take the chinese players for example,they always attack,they rarely defend,that is the reason why most of them are so successful and can reach the top 10,my coach always says this "always start the attack first and as soon as possible,if you don't attack,your opponent will attack and you'll lose the point",so,only way to improve is by work on your mistakes and perfecting your strokes
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i'm not aiming for the top 10. :) right now at my level mistakes decide the game not winners.

will try the slower/careful approach and see where it takes me. 
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Gambler Reflectoid in 1.5 mm. is excellent choice. You will block, push and punch your way through the loopers with it. Thumbs Up


will reflectoid work on a stiga allround nct?
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Mark V 1.8mm on a good ALL rated blade....you can push all day till the cows come home. Good advice to work on your strokes though. Becoming passive is not good even for allround style.
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Mark V 1.8mm on a good ALL rated blade....you can push all day till the cows come home. Good advice to work on your strokes though. Becoming passive is not good even for allround style.
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You should learn to attack. Even if you want to be a chopper.

If you miss too much, perhaps you need to learn to pick carefully which balls to attack and which balls to push back. You will always need to attack to pose a credible threat to the opponent, but many times instead of pushing short, you can deliberately push long and spinny to a nasty spot, let them open, then counterattack yourself.

Or learn to attack more spinnily, less speed. The topspin will bring the ball onto the table better.

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Originally posted by ichini ichini wrote:

actually,if you wait for your opponent to make the first mistake,it won't help you to improve at all,if you don't dare to attack,you'll lose the point,take the chinese players for example,they always attack,they rarely defend,that is the reason why most of them are so successful and can reach the top 10,my coach always says this "always start the attack first and as soon as possible,if you don't attack,your opponent will attack and you'll lose the point",so,only way to improve is by work on your mistakes and perfecting your strokes


this might be good advice for players who are actively working with a coach with multi-ball drills to develop 3rd and 5th ball attacks. in that situation, it is very possible to develop point ending power to get you to the next level (a buddy of mine who trained in China for 6 months went at US1400 and came back US1900 with exactly this sort of attacking evolution).

but for many of us who play only 1-2 times a week, and are significantly lower than US2000, it's frequently enough to practice control and allow our opponents to self destruct. whether you lob, push, fish or block, you can count on opponents making more unforced errors than successful attacks (as long as you have good placement).
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wow. From 1400 to 1900 with 6 months of multiball. This is the kind of answer I was hoping for in my robot thread. :)

so in theory I could buy an advanced robot and by summer I may be approaching 2000!
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

wow. From 1400 to 1900 with 6 months of multiball. This is the kind of answer I was hoping for in my robot thread. :)

so in theory I could buy an advanced robot and by summer I may be approaching 2000!


You need to have a Chinese coach to watch your multiball sessions or it won't work!
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Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Gambler Reflectoid in 1.5 mm. is excellent choice. You will block, push and punch your way through the loopers with it. Thumbs Up


will reflectoid work on a stiga allround nct?

Should work good on anything really. It's able to make much more heavy chops than something like Mark V and also blocks better. You can't talk highly enough of it for that kind of backhand, the only choice that's a bit hard to make is do you want it in 1.5mm or 2.0mm that depends if you want to hit strongish topspins with it or not, if not then get the 1.5

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I played with Reflectoid on my BH for twelve days as a test to determine if I would go back to smooth rubber on my Bh ,well the answer is no. This rubber blocks reasonably well but a newbie reading all these fantastic posts about Reflectoid will be mislead as this is just an ordinary rubber with little punch and reasonable spin. nothing you won't find in most 729  rubbers. 
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You might want to try butterfly tackiness chop if you only defend on the backhand or butterfly tackiness chop II if you sometimes mix attack in on your backhand.
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as it happens I do have tackiness chop. Very soft and slow and sticky. completely forgot that i have this rubber. will try it next session.
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