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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AgReZz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2019 at 5:10am
This is crazy how different opinions are on this rubber I am glad though that someones shares my.
Maybe the rubber gets better after few days? I dont know.
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A Chinese female player talked about a little period for break in. I found it immediately really good in my BH but I could not play with it in FH. I think it depends on your personal technics.
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    a male fan, especially one who is obsessive about comics, music, movies, or science fiction.

Didn't think it was an offensive terms.  If it is, please accept my apologies and substitute 'enthusiast' or whatever is not offensive.


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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

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    a male fan, especially one who is obsessive about comics, music, movies, or science fiction.

Didn't think it was an offensive terms.  If it is, please accept my apologies and substitute 'enthusiast' or whatever is not offensive.

Yes, fanboy is generally used in a bit of a condescending manner. However with whatever word you use the point still stands - a good chunk of people may prefer Dignics despite having no preference for Butterfly in particular. 
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hi, I have apolonia zlc with tenergy 2.1 fh, tenergy 1.9 bh, might try 1.9 dignics bh ?
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"However with whatever word you use the point still stands - a good chunk of people may prefer Dignics despite having no preference for Butterfly in particular."  They might or they might not, the important statistics is whether there is a significant # people who do prefers it and is willing to shell out the bucks repeatedly 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bard romance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/20/2019 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"However with whatever word you use the point still stands - a good chunk of people may prefer Dignics despite having no preference for Butterfly in particular."  They might or they might not, the important statistics is whether there is a significant # people who do prefers it and is willing to shell out the bucks repeatedly 


Yes, and if they do, then the market has determined that it is a fair price.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gromousse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/21/2019 at 1:56am
Yes you can try D05 backhand 1.9 on apolonia, you will have more control, spin and consistency.

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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"However with whatever word you use the point still stands - a good chunk of people may prefer Dignics despite having no preference for Butterfly in particular."  They might or they might not, the important statistics is whether there is a significant # people who do prefers it and is willing to shell out the bucks repeatedly 


Yes, and if they do, then the market has determined that it is a fair price.
I wouldn't use fair price but a price they could successfully charge 
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thanks for getting back to me gromousseSmile
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Can we get back to reviews or comments from people who actually own the rubber ? Everyone knows it costs  $80 - $105 so  there is no point droning on about the price point any longer.
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i can confirm the rubber needs to break in...first time it was quite hard, now the sponge stabilized and it’s much better to play with it
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After around 70 hours ( mostly multiball, trainings and league matches) rubber looks nice and save good playing condition. If it works well for 100 hours- it’s great durability.

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Originally posted by Nelt Nelt wrote:

After around 70 hours ( mostly multiball, trainings and league matches) rubber looks nice and save good playing condition. If it works well for 100 hours- it’s great durability.

With Tenergy, I always figured something like this:

80 hours -- still plays really well, close to new level.
100 hours -- no complaints, but it's not quite as sharp as it was
130 hours -- really showing wear, definitely in the worn state, but not hopeless
160 hours -- on it's last legs, only suitable for casual play
190 hours -- it's toast
Longest I've played a sheet of Tenergy is 230 hours

So, for me, that would be the standard where I would look for Dignics to do better.  Great durability would be great play at 140 hours and 190 hours is still playable.
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I'm at about 100 hours here on my sheet. The top sheet basically looks brand new, but the sponge seems to be loosing some of its power. 
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when people say xx hrs, would it not help to specify on which side do they use the rubber (if not both) and what % of strokes they use on that side (if lopsided %).  I suspect the hrs used might be prolonged if they do not stroke as hard for example on the BH.
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On my forehand. It would probably last long on my backhand. 
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

I hated T05H. I tried it for about a month on forehand and then backhand. Very unforgiving rubber and requires a lot of precision. The shortest dwell time of any rubber I've played. T05H is also super terrible at hitting, very very bad. During the month with T05H, I played the worst table tennis I've played in the last two or three years. I switched to Dignics and immediately started playing very very well. I can't say enough how much I like this rubber. Very very good. 

Good to know that you like D05. What blade do you play D05 with? I have several sheets and am mulling on whether I should put one on my main blade to try.

I haven't had enough time with D05 to make a permanent opinion. It is all relative isn't it: For me, T05H (on the ZJK-ALC blade) is by far the best Tenergy and possibly the best FH rubber I've played with (along with the higher grades of H3). In fact, I thought that T05H was quite good at smashing but it absolutely shines in power-loops, short game, and pushes.

I agree ,  same here zjk alc with 05H on FH and 05 on BH , however i found t05H Is very good for flat hits too.. both sides very precise , 

I agree with the friend about regarding the dwell time match less than 05 
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Originally posted by sidespinBH sidespinBH wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

I hated T05H. I tried it for about a month on forehand and then backhand. Very unforgiving rubber and requires a lot of precision. The shortest dwell time of any rubber I've played. T05H is also super terrible at hitting, very very bad. During the month with T05H, I played the worst table tennis I've played in the last two or three years. I switched to Dignics and immediately started playing very very well. I can't say enough how much I like this rubber. Very very good. 

Good to know that you like D05. What blade do you play D05 with? I have several sheets and am mulling on whether I should put one on my main blade to try.

I haven't had enough time with D05 to make a permanent opinion. It is all relative isn't it: For me, T05H (on the ZJK-ALC blade) is by far the best Tenergy and possibly the best FH rubber I've played with (along with the higher grades of H3). In fact, I thought that T05H was quite good at smashing but it absolutely shines in power-loops, short game, and pushes.

I agree ,  same here zjk alc with 05H on FH and 05 on BH , however i found t05H Is very good for flat hits too.. both sides very precise , 

I agree with the friend about regarding the dwell time match less than 05 


I agree with you about the short game and pushes.  Serving is another are where I felt 05H was really good. However, on my blade t05H feels like a brick for flat hitting. Absolutely terrible.  I also found that t05H had a small margin for error due the very short dwell time. 
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 Is your blade a hard blade ? 
I agree  , thats why 05H is so hard to play on BH , dwell is so low
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My blade is Hinoki-alc-Hinoki-alc-Hinoki. It's not hard at all. 
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Hinoki is special wood ,its both soft and stiff wood as i remember,  maybe 05H is better to use on softer blades or your technique must be very solid ...
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I tried the T05H for about a month. It just wasn't good for me at all on either wing. I was losing to players who hadn't beat me in 3 years. I was constantly hitting balls long or into the net. On flat hits, I couldn't seem to get the sponge to give any kick. I just couldn't seem to get the hang of it. 

Also, today I tried Dignics on the backhand side. I think I like it on the backhand even more than on the forehand wing. Dignics is just a really good rubber in my opinion. Dignics is also a really good match with my blade. 
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ericd937, can i ask what thickness  rubbers 1.9 or 2.1
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2.1 on both Dignics and T05H.
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Second session today with Dignics on the backhand. Its super easy to play this rubber on that wing. Very very good. 
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Second session today with Dignics on the backhand. Its super easy to play this rubber on that wing. Very very good. 

How are the blocks with d05 compared to ten 05 ? 
Is it easier to play and counter ? 
Pushes and touches are any better ? 

How does it compare to t05 on FH , is it better ?
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I played T05 1.9 on forehand and T64 1.9 on backhand for years on a limited Zhang Yining ZLC (think of innerforce ZLC, it's exactly that). Was on hiatus when the poly balls came out, so I missed the initial outrage :P It was a rude surprise when I started training and playing again, I felt my shots were lacking. I was a big time EJ back then, now I was determined not to change anything and make the old setup of 05+64 in 1.9 work. After a year though, my training partner convinced me to change, as I did much better shots with his 2.1 T05 than with mine :P As Dignics release was around the corner I decided I'll give it a shot.

I bought one in 2.1 for the forehand and 1.9 for the backhand to test it. At first I didn't like it at all. Considerably lower throw than T05, all my FH openers went into the net. Looping felt random, sometimes it fell out of the rubber, sometimes it shot up. Didn't feel like it was much grippier for service. Pushing felt great, but is a bit more bouncy than T05 1.9 (I push very agressively with heavy underspin). On the backhand, it was okay-ish, higher throw than T64 1.9, my BH openers were okay, but all my punches went over the table.

After a few sessions, it broke in I fell in love with it on the FH. I was more used to brushlooping, but driving with this thing is insane. Driveshots have surprising amount of spin, extremely fast, low and accurate. I got over the bouncyness for pushing on the FH, 1.9 never had the problem. My problem with T05 2.1 was that it's just too bouncy for me in the short game, D05 2.1 is much better in this regard. I still couldn't adjust my backhand punches, should do more drills, but my BH loops got much deadlier. I have mixed feelings about blocking, It is better on the forehand (was T05), less sensitivity to spin off the bounce. Oh the backhand though, I felt T64 was better, although it is much easier to counterloop close to the table. For services I find it is still very similar to T05, but it is easier to serve fake underspin serves with the same motion.
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