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    Posted: 02/17/2020 at 5:38pm
Guys!!!
New rubber from Butterfly D09C will be available for 96.99! 
It is a steal!


Edited by Leftstudio - 02/18/2020 at 1:16pm
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It's probably a really good rubber that people will continue to buy.
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Originally posted by Leftstudio Leftstudio wrote:

Guys!!!
New rubber from Butterfly D09C will be available for 96.99! 
It is a steal!

Sweet! I'm gonna get started on refinancing the house so I can resurface my racket!
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But what oh what does this mean?  That it is not as valuable as the other Dignics versions?
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Butterfly just restamped all the old Spinart they didn't sell with a new name
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yeah come on! Time to sell my kidney

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This is expensive but not a steal as far as people know its price before buying it :))
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This never stops.  If you do not think this rubber is worth the price, do not buy it.  Noone is forced to buy it.

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I’m honestly not mad at butterfly. What pisses me off more is the people that buy these rubbers. They are the ones supporting unreasonable prices. 60€ will be the norm for rubbers in a few years.

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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

I’m honestly not mad at butterfly. What pisses me off more is the people that buy these rubbers. They are the ones supporting unreasonable prices. 60€ will be the norm for rubbers in a few years.

I use Dignics. I like the feel and since they last a lot longer than any ESN rubber I've tried by a factor of two or more, I do not think it costs me any more.

How is that a problem?

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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

I’m honestly not mad at butterfly. What pisses me off more is the people that buy these rubbers. They are the ones supporting unreasonable prices. 60€ will be the norm for rubbers in a few years.

But the more Butterfly continues to push the price boundaries, the more opportunities it creates for competitors with more reasonable pricing approaches to gain market share. I'm perfectly content with my Donic Bluefire at less than half the price of Dignics.
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Please update the title to 'Highway robbery'
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As someone who actively prefers fastarc g-1 to any tenergy or dignics I don't see Bty pricing drawing the whole market upwards.  The effect I see is ESN brands having to release new generations more often to try to hang onto the scraps of market share Bty and DHS leave behind.  But Donic, Tibhar, Xiom, Andro, etc can't charge a premium price even for their new stuff, because it is perceived in the market as at best an okay substitute for Bty/DHS.  So the result is to force down the cost of older gen ESN rubbers.  Because the only way Donic can create a perception of quality around bluestorm is to have it cost more than bluefire.  

For players who aren't chasing the latest-gen ESN Bty substitute, dignics premium pricing is actually lowering our rubber costs.  So the next time you play a guy with a zjk szlc and 2x dignics, like my friend tyson, thank him for lowering the cost of your fastarc/baracuda/mx-p/rasant.  Observe how your obsolete $30 rubber still generates enough spin to jump ten feet off the table when he tries to block it with that ultra-spinny $500 setup.  And be happy.
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

As someone who actively prefers fastarc g-1 to any tenergy or dignics I don't see Bty pricing drawing the whole market upwards.  The effect I see is ESN brands having to release new generations more often to try to hang onto the scraps of market share Bty and DHS leave behind.  But Donic, Tibhar, Xiom, Andro, etc can't charge a premium price even for their new stuff, because it is perceived in the market as at best an okay substitute for Bty/DHS.  So the result is to force down the cost of older gen ESN rubbers.  Because the only way Donic can create a perception of quality around bluestorm is to have it cost more than bluefire.  

For players who aren't chasing the latest-gen ESN Bty substitute, dignics premium pricing is actually lowering our rubber costs.  So the next time you play a guy with a zjk szlc and 2x dignics, like my friend tyson, thank him for lowering the cost of your fastarc/baracuda/mx-p/rasant.  Observe how your obsolete $30 rubber still generates enough spin to jump ten feet off the table when he tries to block it with that ultra-spinny $500 setup.  And be happy.
that is interesting, not keeping track, could you give an example of a popular older rubber that went down in price.  Thanks.
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"It's a steal"

Yes, but from whom?
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

"It's a steal"

Yes, but from whom?

You decide  Thumbs Up 
On another note: Dignics users, how is the rubber durability?
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Originally posted by Leftstudio Leftstudio wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

"It's a steal"

Yes, but from whom?

You decide  Thumbs Up 
On another note: Dignics users, how is the rubber durability?

Exponentially better than ESN rubbers, and even better than Tenergy. 
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

As someone who actively prefers fastarc g-1 to any tenergy or dignics I don't see Bty pricing drawing the whole market upwards.  The effect I see is ESN brands having to release new generations more often to try to hang onto the scraps of market share Bty and DHS leave behind.  But Donic, Tibhar, Xiom, Andro, etc can't charge a premium price even for their new stuff, because it is perceived in the market as at best an okay substitute for Bty/DHS.  So the result is to force down the cost of older gen ESN rubbers.  Because the only way Donic can create a perception of quality around bluestorm is to have it cost more than bluefire.  

For players who aren't chasing the latest-gen ESN Bty substitute, dignics premium pricing is actually lowering our rubber costs.  So the next time you play a guy with a zjk szlc and 2x dignics, like my friend tyson, thank him for lowering the cost of your fastarc/baracuda/mx-p/rasant.  Observe how your obsolete $30 rubber still generates enough spin to jump ten feet off the table when he tries to block it with that ultra-spinny $500 setup.  And be happy.
that is interesting, not keeping track, could you give an example of a popular older rubber that went down in price.  Thanks.

I can't bc I only changed rubber models once in the past six years, from t05 to fastarc g1, and reviews almost never mention the current price so i can't pull old data.  But using tt11 as the price-setter I see 3=4 deals on evolution, rasanter, bluefire and bluestorm, and fastarc series.  So except for the very latest like Rasanter 53, the most popular bty substitutes are available for  ~$32 per sheet (in the US with no VAT).  

Yasaka and Nittaku have no expensive rubbers at all.  R53, Stiga DNA series, Acuda blue P, and especially xiom O7 series are priced a bit higher.  But ESN wise you are looking at $32 - $44 per sheet unless you simply must have one of the four or five latest releases, and that is total across every major brand.  Xiom seems to have the most aggressive pricing of them all.  But I'm pretty sure when Omega 8 or 9 comes out they won't be able to price it at $75 and leave 07 tour at $60.  Guess we will see in a few months.

So like phones and cars and clothing and literally every single consumer product there is, EJs pay.  Don't be an ej and Bty high-end pricing has def no harmful effect on your budget.

Or, if you really think you are going to play that much better with O7A than O5A, or R53 than R50, pay up, but don't blame the moth.


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thanks BRS , I definitely try to stay away from BTY, incidentally (from your examples) I stayed with 05A but did buy R53 since I did not find R50 that special.
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I find that the BTY Tenergy rubbers that I like (T05H) are more expensive for FH (as durability for me on FH is low on almost all rubbers). 

But for BH, I feel that the Dignics rubbers are really something.

Compared to Tenergy 05, the D05, IMHO, is eons ahead in control. It is more stable, has more dwell, grip AND has more spin. No other rubber has all these attributes better than T05.

And yes, it is, for me, at least 25% more durable. That makes it so worth it - I can probably use a sheet on my BH for a 9 months to a year. T05 lasts 5 months max on BH (& lasts 2 months on FH for me).

For FH, I still prefer a few select ESN rubbers - Dignics is unsuitable and T05H is too expensive & only slightly better, if at all.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I find that the BTY Tenergy rubbers that I like (T05H) are more expensive for FH (as durability for me on FH is low on almost all rubbers). 

But for BH, I feel that the Dignics rubbers are really something.

Compared to Tenergy 05, the D05, IMHO, is eons ahead in control. It is more stable, has more dwell, grip AND has more spin. No other rubber has all these attributes better than T05.

And yes, it is, for me, at least 25% more durable. That makes it so worth it - I can probably use a sheet on my BH for a 9 months to a year. T05 lasts 5 months max on BH (& lasts 2 months on FH for me).

For FH, I still prefer a few select ESN rubbers - Dignics is unsuitable and T05H is too expensive & only slightly better, if at all.
My ESN rubbers last  9 months on the backhand. I have used tenergy for years in the past, but at some point the durability went down (probably because of the new ball). My current rubbers hold up well, durability wise.
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by Leftstudio Leftstudio wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

"It's a steal"

Yes, but from whom?

You decide  Thumbs Up 
On another note: Dignics users, how is the rubber durability?

Exponentially better than ESN rubbers, and even better than Tenergy. 

I know 2 players in my club and their dignics rubbers are chipping off the edge after 1 month even with side tape 


Edited by mykonos96 - 02/19/2020 at 1:00am
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by Leftstudio Leftstudio wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

"It's a steal"

Yes, but from whom?

You decide  Thumbs Up 
On another note: Dignics users, how is the rubber durability?

Exponentially better than ESN rubbers, and even better than Tenergy. 

I know 2 players in my club and their dignics rubbers are chipping off the edge after 1 month even with side tape 
I find that strange.  I use D05, as do several strong players in my club.  None of have ever had any chipping, and especially not like the chipping common with Tenergy.

Just for the record, my experience is that D05 is about 40% more durable than T05, which makes it a better deal for me.

As for all the people that want to complain about the price of Dignics: it's a rubber, and some people really like it and don't mind paying the price.  I can appreciate that it doesn't work for you, but harping endlessly about the price is pointless.  The people that agree with you have already said as much, and everyone is tired of the argument.
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I'm content with t05/t64. Didnt really like the t05 hard nor dignics 05. Even tho I can get those rubbers at dealers price. I still cant stomach spending so much on the dignics 
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Hi,

In my circle, the resistance to Dignics chipping vis a vis Tenergy has been commonly noted as a highly positive improvement trait for Dignics.

Fundamentally, I appreciate Butterfly providing an alternative for the hundreds of millions of players; a distinct choice which is very favorable to a segment of players.

Thanks.


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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

In my circle, the resistance to Dignics chipping vis a vis Tenergy has been commonly noted as a highly positive improvement trait for Dignics.

Fundamentally, I appreciate Butterfly providing an alternative for the hundreds of millions of players; a distinct choice which is very favorable to a segment of players.

Thanks.



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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

and everyone is tired of the argument.

<Thanks for volunteering to speak for everyone and not Butterfly >




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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

As someone who actively prefers fastarc g-1 to any tenergy or dignics I don't see Bty pricing drawing the whole market upwards.  The effect I see is ESN brands having to release new generations more often to try to hang onto the scraps of market share Bty and DHS leave behind.  But Donic, Tibhar, Xiom, Andro, etc can't charge a premium price even for their new stuff, because it is perceived in the market as at best an okay substitute for Bty/DHS.  So the result is to force down the cost of older gen ESN rubbers.  Because the only way Donic can create a perception of quality around bluestorm is to have it cost more than bluefire.  

For players who aren't chasing the latest-gen ESN Bty substitute, dignics premium pricing is actually lowering our rubber costs.  So the next time you play a guy with a zjk szlc and 2x dignics, like my friend tyson, thank him for lowering the cost of your fastarc/baracuda/mx-p/rasant.  Observe how your obsolete $30 rubber still generates enough spin to jump ten feet off the table when he tries to block it with that ultra-spinny $500 setup.  And be happy.

This post is a) really well reasoned b) well rendered and 3) pretty hilariously true! Hats off to you sir!
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by Leftstudio Leftstudio wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

"It's a steal"

Yes, but from whom?

You decide  Thumbs Up 
On another note: Dignics users, how is the rubber durability?

Exponentially better than ESN rubbers, and even better than Tenergy. 

I know 2 players in my club and their dignics rubbers are chipping off the edge after 1 month even with side tape 
I find that strange.  I use D05, as do several strong players in my club.  None of have ever had any chipping, and especially not like the chipping common with Tenergy.

Just for the record, my experience is that D05 is about 40% more durable than T05, which makes it a better deal for me.

As for all the people that want to complain about the price of Dignics: it's a rubber, and some people really like it and don't mind paying the price.  I can appreciate that it doesn't work for you, but harping endlessly about the price is pointless.  The people that agree with you have already said as much, and everyone is tired of the argument.
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i see most modern rubbers are fragile..if my rubber gets chipped and the %99.99 of users dont have problems that will not fix my rubber 


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"As for all the people that want to complain about the price of Dignics: it's a rubber, and some people really like it and don't mind paying the price.  I can appreciate that it doesn't work for you, but harping endlessly about the price is pointless. " 

 This is true - but considering that subject, the pricing is pertinent.  


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