DHS D40+ to Be Released in April

XGAG, thick seamed, yellowish, heavy and very good to play with.

ashishsharmaait wrote: XGAG, thick seamed, yellowish, heavy and very good to play with.

Same date code as my boxes of thin seam balls. (bought from ttnpp)

Edited by qpskfec - 09/27/2017 at 1:44pm

we now have something worth investigating

qpskfec wrote: ashishsharmaait wrote: XGAG, thick seamed, yellowish, heavy and very good to play with. Same date code as my boxes of thin seam balls. (bought from ttnpp)

OK.  Now we have two kinds of balls, same stamped date (July this year), bought different at places (thin ones from ttnpp, thick ones from a shop in Beijing).  Still, we have not quite resolved things yet because the date they changed the balls could have been in the middle of July?

It could also still be that the tnpp ones are fake or two factories. 

But again, we will eventually know the truth if people keep posting what they get to this thread.

Personally I don't claim to know the truth.  I would also be skeptical of people who claim to know it (especially when they have a history of being all over the map when it comes to balls). 

But it seems quite unlikely that DHS would simply give their old 40+ balls D40+ labels just to clear out their old stock!  That is a really bad business model that I can't imagine any official in the company agreeing to, even a company in China.    However, someone unscrupulous might make fake balls that way (boxes and ball labels being especially easy to fake) and somehow those fakes found their way to ttnpp. 

I don't know that this happened, but it seems much more likely to me.

In any case, the thin seamed ones have not yet made their way to my town.

Nittaku relies primarily on sales in Japan. So the D40+ has probably had almost no effect on them.

Hard to say in US

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Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 09/27/2017 at 8:15pm

zeio wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Baal wrote: Nittaku relies primarily on sales in Japan. So the D40+ has probably had almost no effect on them. Hard to say in US Since most of the USA sanctioned tournaments use Nittaku Premium 40+, that ball sales in the USA has to be a lot. For example, clubs in my area require use of Nittaku Premium house balls unless a different ball is agreed on by both players. ..... Check out this thread by yours truly. Export to the US is even lower than the export to Taiwan. The US market is roughly comparable to that of Singapore.

How much affect has the DHS 40+ thick seamed ball had on the sales of other brands of balls in the USA and Worldwide ?

It's still early to tell. Maybe next year when the numbers come in, which may not get published.

One thing certain is that people around the world wouldn't mind seeing the 40+ wiped off the surface of the earth. Many D40+ reviews on the net, East and West, are mostly favorable. Despite that, it is going to take some time for many others to replace their old balls, which may or may not switch due to brand loyalty and tournament ball choice.

People in Japan, when given the choice, would opt for domestic over foreign brands. It is no different for ball. One proof is that DHS/DFish 38mm balls were cheaper and more durable than their counterpart by Nittaku, and the latter is still thriving after all these years. Nittaku and DHS have had a longstanding business partnership, so that is the least part I worry about.

LUCKYLOOP wrote: An interesting Question, how much of the USA or even World Wide Sales of thick seamed DHS D40+ balls by TTNPP has affected the sales of Nittaku Premium 40+ balls ? Depending on that answer, maybe anything is possible with the introduction of the thin seemed DHS D40+ balls.

So I thought you guys were crazy at first with this thin seam and thick seam business...but you are right. These balls have to be entirely different.

I bought a ton of balls from TTNP on the suggestion of Baal (he has excellent recommendations on equipment and thanks). I purchased one batch in late April and another larger batch in early May. I still have 8 unopened boxes of balls still, sadly(or not) they were all marked XDAG, which is April 2017 and all of them were thick seamed (second purchase batch). However I did end up with some balls which did have the thin seam. I would have not known unless someone had told me!

So these thin seamed ones were being shipped as early as May 5th. Very curious.

The color is different, the seam is different.

You may be able to tell the color from this picture. It is very obvious once you put a light through them. The thick seamed balls are on the left.






Edited by wilkinru - 09/30/2017 at 12:49pm

CHANGING THE SEAM IS NO CRIME...

It appears from this Torsten Kuneth's explanations that DHS did made some unspoke changes to their product on their own, without giving any notification to ITTF.
Still, I have got no good evidence from this forum that the change in the ball's seam has any adverse effect on the ball's actual performance..
Changing solely the size of the seam is rather a trivial change as long as the ball keeps up all the T4 technical standards.      

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=343448#p343448

All comes back to one thing, just do not trust anything made in china

I tested the D40+ ball about 6 months ago, didn't like it that much, felt considerably less spinny compared to the DHS 40+ that we've been using.

A few days ago I tested another box (Pack/10 code XEAG), and this has a thin seam (I don't know if the earlier one I tried had the thin seam), but I really like this ball.. it did not have the sound of the seamless, and spin was quite good!

So to me, if they have made a change to the ball, I think it's an improvement!

I also got a box of Double Fish V40+, wow those balls have a rough surface!!! I'd suggest you wash them first too, or they leave a ton of dust on your rubbers.
I did like these balls as much, there seems to be less spin, or perhaps it just arcs further on, I need to test a bit more.

Baal wrote: qpskfec wrote: ashishsharmaait wrote: XGAG, thick seamed, yellowish, heavy and very good to play with. Same date code as my boxes of thin seam balls. (bought from ttnpp) OK.  Now we have two kinds of balls, same stamped date (July this year), bought different at places (thin ones from ttnpp, thick ones from a shop in Beijing).  Still, we have not quite resolved things yet because the date they changed the balls could have been in the middle of July? It could also still be that the tnpp ones are fake or two factories.  But again, we will eventually know the truth if people keep posting what they get to this thread.