Did Ma Long has the right feeling for this point?

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Read careful my conclusions. From the position of Ma Long by each known science (not rule, but science, maths, geometry), the ball must go minimum the level of table's surface after the jump or higher. Because it is OUT OF SIDELINE.

It didn't happen, but Ma Long asked the point for him. Please. Topic gone too large, we discussed all about that behaviour of Ma Long. Ask some professional player what he thinks for that and come back, you are welcome.

My point I'm trying to make is this:

In your first post you made a little picture highlighting that at the point of contact, the ball and ML's body were outside of the sidelines. My point is that this doesn't matter at all, and it happens constantly in table tennis (e.g., my picture above from wttc final). You keep repeating this same argument about where the ball and his body are at contact, and it proves absolutely nothing. I copied the times I'm referring to where you keep making this argument at the end of this post. My point is that your picture and its zoom, and every sentence below, prove nothing.

Clearly there's disagreement and uncertainty regarding the trajectory of the ball off the edge of the table, or where exactly on that edge the ball hit. But that has nothing to do with your 'HIS BODY AND BALL ARE OUTSIDE THE TABLE' argument. Really we need a different camera angle to settle it.

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It is not about a serve, but Ma Long attacked a ball out of table, visible on the picture.

Please. Ma Long was with ALL HIS BODY OUT of side line of the table also and the ball was out.

Even if the ball was on the edge, Ma Long is OUT of side lines, Ball is OUT of side lines.

Please do not write Ma Long had no any idea he is Out of the side line with all his body and his bat in the moment of the hit was also out and he didn't recognized that fact.

First of all, you are trying to tell me ML didn't recognize he was with all his body out of the side line and also his bat with the ball in the moment of the contact?

Ma Long pretty well know where is his body according to the table. And during the hit, his eyes are focused on the ball. Do you think he didn't recognize he was all out with the ball and bat from the side line?

According all these facts I mentioned (or you think ML can't recognize there are about one racket space between his bat and sideline)

 as he was out of the side line with all his body together with the ball in the moment of the hit.


Of course, but it depends the position of the player's body and ball according the side lines. That's what I am trying to explain from the start ot the topic. Did Ma long realize he is out with the ball together of the side lines, or he still thought he is "in"

I am not talking for assumptions but for a facts about ML's position together with the ball. Out of side line. No need to repeat the same each time.

Very nice comment from your side for the sportsmanship.

I was at your side when I was younger. And what I have found - If I know I am right,

but I make exceptions, next time my opponent is going more rude instead to return the

gesture. Umpires were not available, of course. So, what I found for best? Just leaving the table.

If there are enough proofs and technical explanations, why you are thinking you must always to

ignore the rules or science in someone's favour?

First part of your comment I think is wrong, because again we are going for perceiving and feelings.

Each ITTF umpire has instruction how to act in such a case, it is pretty simple and I have been displayed already.

Something more - Boll made verbal explanation to Long that the ball gone down, so it's side.

There is not any chance ball sent from outside the side lines and going down after touching the table's edge to be counted for EDGE. There is maths behind this.

The nearside umpire also confirmed that.

But Ma Long continued with his sad face and Boll gave him the next ball like he is playing with some junior from the middle school.

I don't agree with both sides, because no one is going to find America again or the hot water.

But at least, in the end seems Boll was at your side, despite he was pretty right when he explained

the dropping of the ball to Ma Long.

According to your opinion : What will happen if everyone is starting to has his own imagination for the situations like that and makes sad faces all the time something is not in his favour?

For what are these umpires posted there? Of course, umpires make mistakes sometimes, but here the ball just dropped without any even miniature chance to be counted as EDGE. It was SIDE not 100%, but 1100%.

Only Ma Long didn't see it/feel it.

And the topic gone too large because I have not expected 15 years later these technical things about the rules are still not regulated, so the key word to focus here were just FEELINGS.

Someone could say I probably envy to Ma Long. Nothing like that. All chinese players are genial  athletes, no one of CNT is some exclamation. But these dishonest things must be exposed.

Someone must call the things with their real names.

I am glad I was part of this discussion.  I found several points of view different than mine.

That situation I could compare with some catastrophe. You are pressing the gas to overtake the car in front of you and just hit the blinker of the car versus you before to go back in your lane. A policeman was driving behind you in that moment and saw everything. You won't go and say: But sir, I had feeling I will be on time back in my lane and to rely on condescension from the victim.

Hope my topic made sense, because if this situation was a matchpoint - I am not sure it would be done like that. So, here we have behaviour according situation. I don't like these things, anyway.