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tayyabsaeedkhan 
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 Posted: 12/19/2012 at 1:33pm |
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Donic waldner legend carbon + Bluefire m1 max both sides would be head heavy ???
Or is it a balanced setup with a little bit weight towards the head. What are your thoughts . . . |
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AndySmith
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Posted: 12/19/2012 at 1:48pm |
The legend does have a larger than average head size, and M1 is heavy, so I think this would be a bit head heavy, yes. That might suit you though, it's down to personal preferences. |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Carryboy
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Posted: 12/19/2012 at 3:38pm |
6mm, you can see my specifications and review on this blade on the first page. However the review does need a bit of updating. |
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Carryboy
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Posted: 12/19/2012 at 3:42pm |
Very heavy with a lot of weight towards the head!!! But if that is your cup of tea then go for it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 at 7:55pm |
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I feel like no player under 2k usatt can justify getting thicker/faster/spinnier/harder than M2 2.0mm and that's why I switched to that for the fh. Of course there are people that level and under with a monstrous fh loop who can handle M1 max because they go super fast 100% all the time on all FH shots but they are exceptions imo; other people just fool themselves thinking the points they wins by going from M2 2.0 to M1 max are more than compensating the ones they lose in the switch.
That's why on any blade including the Waldner Legend Carbon (that I did not try yet) I'd recommend m2 2.0
 over m1 2.0/max. |
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Carryboy
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Posted: 12/19/2012 at 8:15pm |
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I find M2 Max quite controllable on this blade. For some reason I just could not warm up to M1 on this blade. The problem was the short game with the M1 felt a little out of control and lacked a little feeling as compared to the M2.
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tayyabsaeedkhan
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 8:46am |
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In past I have used YEO with H3 and sonex jp on bh.
My second setup was Tibhar grip S and Sonex jp gold with Stiga clipper CR wrb. I have used Rosewood 7 with rakza 9 and acuda S1 turbo. Now they are heavy setups. I want the speed of the setup equal to rosewood 7 or more so I dont have to put alot of effort from away to the table. Now tell me please I am very keen to have a new setup and I would rate myself USATT 2200-2300. I am not from US but I have played with US 1800 and I have seen some forum members videos who are rated in US. My rating is based on these thoughts. Maybe I am wrong  Thanks in advance Edited by tayyabsaeedkhan - 12/20/2012 at 8:48am |
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tayyabsaeedkhan
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 8:50am |
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And yeah I had beaten the 1800 player in straight sets easily under 5-6 points without putting much effort .
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Skyline
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 9:09am |
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This blade is very popular among the people I train with. I tried it a few times and I really liked it. I just could not resist the temptation to buy one!
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AndySmith
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 10:31am |
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It's an excellent blade. Easily the best value for money carbon/hinoki blade out there at the moment.
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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bluebucket
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 11:11am |
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Because all the major brands Carbon Hinoki's are almost identical you may as well go with the cheaper one. tayyabseedkhan no chance in the world you will control a carbon hinoki and M1 at 1800 level, no chance at 2500 level either. Consider it at 2900
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Carryboy
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 11:47am |
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The blade is very good. I have just recently purchased a second one at around the same weight 79.9 grams as a backup. January I will set about getting some rubbers for it.
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tayyabsaeedkhan
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Posted: 12/20/2012 at 12:44pm |
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Bluebucket Thanks for your feedback. Appreciate it but I can not resist my urge to buy one with M1 max
God helps with the Ejing thingy 
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Posted: 04/18/2013 at 9:00am |
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Just got my Donic Waldner Legend Carbon blade yesterday and had my first hit session. I was using Friendship and YinHe blades before ordering this one. I ordered the Legend with Tin Arc DHS rubber on the forehand and Friendship 729-08ES on the backhand. The TinArc was amazing, accenting the incredible looping power of the Legend. The 729-08ES however, just didn't allow for my attacking style on my backhand. It seemed tha the rubber didn't have the aggressive arc I wanted. I switched to the SST cross by Friendship which is a softer rubber allowing more dwell time and my backhand came alive. I have read that many players feel a slight vibration with the legend but I however, felt none at all which is exactly what I like in a blade. Possibly because of the chinese style rubber i use as opposed to the donic M3, etc. I have seen used in most of the posts here. One unique quality with the legend I liked was the ease at which I could vary my loops. Slow loops had extreme spin and I could transition to a fast loop with ease. this was an invaluable weapon against the attacking blocker players in my club. They struggled controlling the ball with all the variations I used while looping. Drives were great and actually had a second gear when smashing or attacking with quick flips on both sides. I really enjoyed the speed glue sound that it has which many at my club accused me of using so much I had to show them my glue to verify I wasn't speed glueing...lol. I compared this blade to the Yinhe T-10 and the Andro Super Core Cell Off+ as these are the fast blades I was using and it was a different league. Although the T-10 was thicker yet lighter, I felt that it didn't have near the looping power of the legend and it was very big and bulky with its thick balsa center compared to the legend which, although heavier felt more like a weapon then the T-10. The Andro Super cell off+ which was a fast blade to me before the Legend seemed very sluggish after using the legend for a hour. I had to switch to speed rubber such as Friendship Focus III Sniper and 729-08ES in order to even play with it. In short the legend is exactly what I was looking for and I have to say that megaspin's speed rating is very accurate and I appreciate that. Using spin chinese style rubber adds dwell time which adds control to this explosive blade. there is no blade better then this in its price range.
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Hans Regenkurt
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Posted: 05/11/2013 at 7:54am |
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I have tried the Ovtcharov Carbospeed, my conclusion is that it is a lot softer than TBS, Primorac Carbon and of course, Schlager Carbon. It is also a bit softer than Yinhe T-2, speedwise it is almost the same, but the materials used are visibly different.
Compared to PC, the center ply is a little thicker but the top plies are a little thinner. The FL handle is very nice, it is bigger than Yinhe handles but not as large as a Stiga Legend. Weight distribution is also very good. It is very good for all out attacking, very stable. It is not a substitute for BTY carbon blades and I have a hunch it is China made but do not get me wrong, it is a very good blade. It does not vibrate at all and contrary to belief, I would only rate it as OFF. |
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Posted: 05/11/2013 at 7:58am |
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but off in the high range
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Posted: 03/19/2014 at 11:15pm |
My pictures here -    Most of what @carryboy mentioned above are very accurate as far as this blade's characteristics is concerned and in my impression coming from a "pure wood" to "composite " blade i was kinda debating if i would miss the feeling , close to the table game as well as short game ; however this blade proved me wrong and i feel i could control all gears in the blade very well possibly because it is very linear which i like a lot in a blade. It took me a few days/ about a week to actually get used to the feel of this blade and am still learning the response of the blade but all it has been is a very joyful experience and it really brought out a different beast out of me during game plays. In the past even though i have tried few carbon / arylate carbon didn't like any of those not sure if it was because they were 7 ply's composite ( not 5 ply like this one ) or perhaps they have more of a kick effect due to top layer being thin however in this blade the top layers of kiso hinoki are really thick which i really like a lot . It helps a lot for my drop shots as well as pushes and on drives the carbon kicks in and really add's the Oomph... All in all it has been a great 3 week ride with this blade and have been enjoying every bit of it . The quality and the finish for this priced a blade is stunning. The top ply(kiso hinoki) simply looks and feels amazing. My 2 cents to anybody looking to try out carbon blade moving on from 5 ply all wood this is definitely something one shouldn't miss before investing into expensive one's in the market.
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puppy412
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Posted: 03/20/2014 at 12:01am |
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it would be nice if you compared with butterfly's primorac carbon.
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Posted: 03/20/2014 at 1:13am |
Only Carbon / composite i have played with for sometime were Butterfly Michael Maze (Arylate / Carbon) and Donic wander senso carbon. I haven't played with very many carbon blades from butterfly and not specifically the one's you have mentioned here.
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Posted: 04/26/2014 at 7:54am |
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Folks,
Can someone compare the waldner legend with 729 v6 aramid carbon please? Thanks |
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Bran
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Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:17pm |
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Hi guys, and AndySmith in particular, what are this blade's strengths and weaknesses relative to the Rossi Emotion?
I could infer: greater speed, stiffer, more power, but I'm not so sure about the shortcomings. How good is it in the short game, for looping, for blocking? Is it much bouncier for touch shots? Is it very carbon-y, or relatively woody? Does the oversize head make it very head heavy, and how is it balanced? I'm a bit worried about this. I'm fairly happy with the Emotion, which is a wonderful do-it-all blade. Can't flaw it, yet I can't help but want to expand my blade knowledge… for example, I don't know much about hinoki, and I don't think the Emotion plays or feel like a typical hinoki blade due to the thin layer, so I'm still curious as to how hinoki feels. |
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Carryboy
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Posted: 01/30/2015 at 3:38pm |
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Bran, see my review!! I am now on my second Donic Waldner Legend Carbon. Great Blade!!!
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patrickhrdlicka
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Posted: 01/30/2015 at 3:40pm |
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Ha Bran - what a coincidence!
I will be testing these two blades at today's practice !! I'll post a quick comparative review tomorrow.
Edited by patrickhrdlicka - 01/30/2015 at 3:44pm |
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Carryboy
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Posted: 01/30/2015 at 4:07pm |
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right2niru, I am not seeing your pictures loading, is it still there??
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I am not sure , possibly removed due to space . I can send you a PM of the same if you need to look at .
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Bran
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Thank you Carryboy, I have made up my mind thanks to the replies I was given in the Rossi Emotion thread – and of course to your initial review. I haven't ordered it yet but I will.
I'll post a review once I've played it. I may wait till the end of the season for this, don't wanna mess around till then. |
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Bran
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I tested the WLC for 30 min. I think it's pretty much in line with what was described.
The blade quality was OK, handle was a bit rough, which I don't mind, but the hinoki plies on FH and BH looked like they split vertically prior to gluing and still were glued side-by-side. Compared to the Joola Rossi Emotion (RE), its bigger head size means it's not as easy to move around. It's probably a matter of habit. I put on new sheets of T05 and JP02. The carbon layer and the hinoki are thicker than the RE's, and so the blade feels number, softer, and the hinoki effect is more pronounced. I generally like a touch more hardness and more vibes, because I mostly loop-drive on my FH (normal loop on the BH) and like hitting as well. For this, the RE is better, though at full power the WLC actually manages pretty well in flat hitting, thanks to the thick carbon layer. It is faster, bouncier and more powerful. It's also stiffer, but it's hidden by the softness until you start hitting really hard, and this is where you can feel the blade's power. At medium gear, the speed doesn't feel that much more than the RE's. It feels fuller and more stable in the high gear. The throw is a tad higher than the RE, so medium-high. Makes it great for looping mid-distance. Flicking I found good as well. The short game was good but I haven't grasped yet at what input strength the blade starts becoming bouncy. Dwell is good but I could feel my loops weren't as spinny – this doesn't say anything about the blade's abilities, just that I'm not yet used to it. I think the main grips I have with it are the head size and the numbness. My loops weren't as spinny and it was hard knowing what to adjust given the lack of feedback. It's quite usual to have to adjust a bit your timing and stroke with a new blade, but numbness makes it harder. I'll need to play more with it to make up my mind about this blade. It has undeniable qualities, but I'm worried it will just magnify my game, with its strengths and weaknesses. I may choose to revert to a slower blade to improve my consistency, at the cost of some power and direct kills, before going back to a more powerful blade once I've developed a "feel" for that consistency. |
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I'm definitely considering this blade with either Bluefire M3 or Bluefire JP 03 rubber. Has anyone played with both on this blade and could offer their impressions on the differences in how each would play on the Legend?
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Posted: 02/23/2015 at 3:26pm |
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M3. Friend uses tenergy on it but he tried m3 rakza7 and jp03 first. The large pores of m3 helped the control enough to make such a fast blade justifiable.
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Bran, I tried a Tenergy 05 max on the legend the other day and after two weeks I pretty much took it off. I found what you described (numbness) in feel with that combination. In addition I found the WLC with 05 slow and lumbering. However It feels more medium to medium plus to me but then again feel is subjective.
As I had stated earlier you have to be mindful of the rubber combination as the setup can become quite head heavy. Grip tape does help with the head heaviness!! |
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