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This was a pretty intense match!

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Eugene the King- Excellent fight to save the two match points in the end! Kreanga's like "You gotta be kidding"
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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Eugene the King- Excellent fight to save the two match points in the end! Kreanga's like "You gotta be kidding"
Kreanga never learned to not to lose his focus when needed.
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E. Wang used to be 1 of the coaches of my kid & others few years ago in Bridgeport t/t club in Richmond, BC. He then played for Canada in the Olympics soon after he became a Canadian Citizen. He now plays for some club in Europe, eh? Cool.
Kreanga got pissed off easily or in the crucial moment.

good match.
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Originally posted by tiehwen tiehwen wrote:

E. Wang used to be 1 of the coaches of my kid & others few years ago in Bridgeport t/t club in Richmond, BC. He then played for Canada in the Olympics soon after he became a Canadian Citizen. He now plays for some club in Europe, eh? Cool.
Kreanga got pissed off easily or in the crucial moment.

good match.
ya, what a black eye for Canadian government Ouch; fast tracked citizenship for him and no gain in the medal standing.
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Gotta be top 5 match of the year!!
The ball looks kind of big? I thought the french were using the old celluoid ball? Have they moved on to 40+? Anyone know which brand?
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It is so great to watch!!! kreanga's backhand is still not imitated; it is incredible the level of control one can have with a full arm bh swing; why isn't it taught more?
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It is so great to watch!!! kreanga's backhand is still not imitated; it is incredible the level of control one can have with a full arm bh swing; why isn't it taught more?
Because taller players can get power our of more controlled swings. That said, the elements of Kreanga's power are in most high level backhands.
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Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Gotta be top 5 match of the year!!
The ball looks kind of big? I thought the french were using the old celluoid ball? Have they moved on to 40+? Anyone know which brand?

The Plastic ball is not mandatory in French Pro A/Pro B and for national level (such as French National Championship), but that doesn't mean the plastic ball is not usable. It's just that this ball is not mandatory. I'm speaking for season 2014/2015 ofc.

I think most (if not all) pro A clubs used plastic balls during the season 2014/2015.

The very precise rule is 

"2.3.3 - La balle doit être faite de celluloïd ou d'une matière plastique analogue. Elle doit être blanche ou orange et mat"
..."the ball must be in celluloid or similar plastic material".
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It is so great to watch!!! kreanga's backhand is still not imitated; it is incredible the level of control one can have with a full arm bh swing; why isn't it taught more?
Because taller players can get power our of more controlled swings. That said, the elements of Kreanga's power are in most high level backhands.
I get that but then those taller players would get even more power out of a full arm bh so why don't they go for it? they'd be strategically forced to move back a bit and would that demolish too many aspects of their game elsewhere? 
Anyway I bet there is a huge part of talent involved and it is not given to anybody to be able to develop such a bh; sort of a gift.
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

ya, what a black eye for Canadian government Ouch; fast tracked citizenship for him and no gain in the medal standing.
True. No experience in the BIG stage. He & Andre' Ho lost in the FIRST round to some nobody?
E. Wang is a nice guy still...
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Originally posted by tiehwen tiehwen wrote:

Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

ya, what a black eye for Canadian government Ouch; fast tracked citizenship for him and no gain in the medal standing.
True. No experience in the BIG stage. He & Andre' Ho lost in the FIRST round to some nobody?


Eugene Wang didn't play singles in London (because he hadn't been eligible yet to qualify). Ho and Hinse played singles. Wang joined them for the team event, where they lost 0-3 to Japan.


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Kreanga's team use plastic balls 40+ for sure!
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Great win for Eugene! Looks like he lost a little weight and is playing slightly more aggressive. 
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Great match. Thanks for sharing the video. 
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Originally posted by tiehwen tiehwen wrote:

Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

ya, what a black eye for Canadian government Ouch; fast tracked citizenship for him and no gain in the medal standing.
  E. Wang is a nice guy still...


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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It is so great to watch!!! kreanga's backhand is still not imitated; it is incredible the level of control one can have with a full arm bh swing; why isn't it taught more?
Because taller players can get power our of more controlled swings. That said, the elements of Kreanga's power are in most high level backhands.
I get that but then those taller players would get even more power out of a full arm bh so why don't they go for it? they'd be strategically forced to move back a bit and would that demolish too many aspects of their game elsewhere? 
Anyway I bet there is a huge part of talent involved and it is not given to anybody to be able to develop such a bh; sort of a gift.


Taking the backhand from the hip is standard for away from the table power. Beyond that, making the arm too straight runs the risk of mistiming the ball and getting injured. Kreanga has short arms so he can make it work in a way that a taller person doesn't need to.   There is also the recovery risk for such a stroke that is easier to manage when your arms are smaller. Samsonov's backhand will never look as explosive as Kreanga's but it is every bit as powerful.
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Kreanga's return of serve seems too passive against Wang Zhen. He pushes way too often.

Wang Zhen is as steady as a rock. He is conservative. Never goes for a wild shot. Makes everything look considered and reasonable. Kreanga, on the other hand, ...




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Even though he lost this match, and his world ranking has dropped quite a bit, I am still awed by how fast Kreanga moves at 43.
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Kreanga's return of serve seems too passive against Wang Zhen. He pushes way too often.

Wang Zhen is as steady as a rock. He is conservative. Never goes for a wild shot. Makes everything look considered and reasonable. Kreanga, on the other hand, ...






Return of serve has always been a relative weakness of Kreanga. It would be interesting to see how he would have played if his game developed in the Chiquita era.
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two of my favorite players. I didn't want anyone to lose : (.


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Kreanga's return of serve seems too passive against Wang Zhen. He pushes way too often.


Return of serve has always been a relative weakness of Kreanga. It would be interesting to see how he would have played if his game developed in the Chiquita era.

I think he should take the time to develop the banana since he is still active. Some of his losses must greatly frustrate him... perhaps it showed even in this match.

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Originally posted by vivan4tt vivan4tt wrote:

Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Gotta be top 5 match of the year!!
The ball looks kind of big? I thought the french were using the old celluoid ball? Have they moved on to 40+? Anyone know which brand?

The Plastic ball is not mandatory in French Pro A/Pro B and for national level (such as French National Championship), but that doesn't mean the plastic ball is not usable. It's just that this ball is not mandatory. I'm speaking for season 2014/2015 ofc.

I think most (if not all) pro A clubs used plastic balls during the season 2014/2015.

The very precise rule is 

"2.3.3 - La balle doit être faite de celluloïd ou d'une matière plastique analogue. Elle doit être blanche ou orange et mat"
..."the ball must be in celluloid or similar plastic material".
Sounded like a pretty good crowd. How many people typically attend these matches? 
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Kreanga's return of serve seems too passive against Wang Zhen. He pushes way too often.


Return of serve has always been a relative weakness of Kreanga. It would be interesting to see how he would have played if his game developed in the Chiquita era.

I think he should take the time to develop the banana since he is still active. Some of his losses must greatly frustrate him... perhaps it showed even in this match.

Sandiway

I am just speculating, but speaking from experience with these things based on what sometimes happens to other pros: you may be surprised that he has tried, but after trying, accepted that that boat just passed him by.  As good as his backhand is, his short arms make it harder to get leverage over the table.  He is probably more comfortable strictly reaching over the table to push.
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Good match I watched it over the weekend.

These guys have played each other before.

Dead Wow, that plastic ball drops from the sky like a rock! Eugene had to dig down low for every long distance counter loop.

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which invites the comment: they both appeared to have great control of the ball. Very long, very entertaining rallies. Still a lot of spin, still a lot of trajectory bend. 

I think the main problem with the new ball is quality and price. If they make it as durable and cheap as the old one, people will get over the difference is bounce pretty quickly.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Sounded like a pretty good crowd. How many people typically attend these matches? 
Loved the match. Fifth game 9-10 point was amazing. 

The club where it is played is Hennebont, this table tennis club is just awesome. It is not a top french club since that long (playing in Pro A since 2002 or 2003 I think), but they have made big investments to develop this club, the fanbase....etc....of course they have been French champions a lot thanks to major signatures (They quicky signed both Kreanga and RSM).

The club is still young, but this is, i think, by far the French club that is making the biggest investment into very young player development......they even make traning stages for all level players (of any age), permitting to spare with very good players, even semi-pros....

No wonder this young club has a pretty good crowd and it should be even better in the future. 

I have never assisted to a home TT match in Hennebont since 2009 (for a champion's league match), so I don't really know what is the typical attendance for Hennebont in 2015......but it is growing, for sure. 

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Originally posted by LOOPMEISTER LOOPMEISTER wrote:

Good match I watched it over the weekend.

These guys have played each other before.

Dead Wow, that plastic ball drops from the sky like a rock! Eugene had to dig down low for every long distance counter loop.

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