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fmarek
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Posted: 05/24/2019 at 10:44pm |
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Hey
When reading blade reviews here and there I sometimes see "fishscale" term is used to describe what I think appearance of top ply. Someone please explain in more details
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Edited by fmarek - 05/25/2019 at 5:54am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Alisha_Hooksit
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Not quite so fast my Sheeple, while I cannot for the life of me recall the source, I did read a Viscaria topic aways past on why Fishscale was coveted, and several authentic woodworking blade geeks explained/postulated that these most prized Viscarias having the most prominent Fishscale did indeed have the most superior performance beyond mere beauty aesthetics. There was something about how the Koto wood veneer was quartersawn within the heart of the slab that was indicated on the wood grain by the Fishscale evidence, and that the very top players whom had the luxury of selecting their blades would always grab the more Fishscaled samples for the very best quality and performance at the recommendation of the blademakers themselves...so the legend was there apparently birthed... realistically tho I also rather doubt any of us mere mortals never could tell a lick of difference with the hittin' either...but what fun would that be?
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fmarek
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How can blade with scales be better if in TT the great part of "better" is consistent. Based on what I saw in the Internet that pattern is never uniform. There are samples where only half of the top ply shows scales.
Now I get it, while it looks better it might be somewhat harder too. But can bounces on it be more consistent comparing to normal surface? hm...
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Its purely aesthetics nothing more.
Sellers use this schema to charge extra. Don't believe the hype. FdT
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Alisha_Hooksit
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And I agree once again, the performance aspect is hype, but the point of my first reply was to illuminate how the hype originated, and once hype grows legs it tends to hang around. FWIW the arch-typical collectors of vintage as well as modern-day Viscarias will energetically seek and happily pay a premium price for those rarer pieces with the most prominent Fish-Scalability; few if any are buying it for a performance edge to begin with, the collector mystique for desirability is their driving force, and certainly nothing wrong with allowing them to pursue their right to happiness either, so it's all good.
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hleett
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I know some members of this forum swear by Viscaria large fishscale blades. It's a way of life for Viscaria collectors. I always wanted one and still looking.
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Fulanodetal
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Those members can swear all they want about the magical properties of a fish scaled blade. Until they provide some form of evidence then it's all hearsay and anecdotal experience. It is this kind of gullibility that leads to beliefs such as the magical medical properties of Rhino Horm or some such, which lead to the slaughter of such animals, plus other sylly superstitions.
And you can rationalize all you want about putting a premium on fishscaled blades all you want. It does remind me of that saying"a fool and his money are soon departed". FdT
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Yep and I find it useful, thanks
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It's just aesthetics. That figuring in Koto is common. Most all the Koto veneer I have has some type of scale.
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I've been told that the regular cut is the one that leaves the almond shell pocks. The cross cut look is called "rayed"
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Would you and/or anyone else know whether the almond shell-pocked/fishscale effect is unique only to Koto wood? Based on my various blades over the years (Koto, Limba, Hinoki), I've only had Fishscale on 2 of 3 Koto blades but never on any of the assorted Limba or Hinoki, so would seem specific to Koto from my small sample of 15 or more blades.
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Here's a Kiso Hinoki ds90 with fishscale.
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Oh my that is really beautiful, Thanks for sharing that! And now that rubber with some different colors will be allowed soon, perhaps some wise marketer could make some sheets in Natural Clear, so everyone could see the pattern and proudly display their mystical wood grains, would be like having the cake while eating it too!
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It seems to happen with ayous. I think the spintech custom blade I have is cross cut limba. Nobody cuts hinoki bit one way.
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And it plays as well as it looks...like a dream!
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