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doob 
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 Topic: black rubber vs red rubberPosted: 03/06/2007 at 6:35pm |
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i read in this forum that the black rubber is tackier and the red rubber. is this ture? or this is just for certain brand of rubbers? thanks in advance.
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Skippy
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 7:31pm |
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With a great deal of the Chinese offerings this is in fact true. Some more than others. GeoSpin Tacky B vs. R (BIG DIFFERENCE), 729-2 not so big of a difference, but it's probably still there. Jap/Euro rubbers it's not typically very noticable at all. I have a Globe 999t of both and I would lean to the black being a touch spinnier.
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leoniedy
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 8:49pm |
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Did anybody noticed that 90 % of european shakehand holders play red on the FH, however 99 % of chinese shakehand holders play just opposite color - black on their FH. I'm wondering why it's so ?
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cole_ely
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 8:51pm |
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They can produce the power on the fh by themselves, but on the bh they need that extra spring. That's the common logic that I've always heard.
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shij421
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 8:53pm |
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black sheet less reflective, therefore they can conceal the spin on serves better.
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leoniedy
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 9:03pm |
Does it apply to any pro regardless of his origin ? Still I'm wondering why red for euro players' FH an black for chinese - I think it's a psychological matter - euro assosiate the power with red color and that's why he plays it on FH, however chinese guy wants to hide his power FH and that's why he plays black - not that bold color that attracts attention - I beleive it's a matter of a mentality. What do you guys think ?
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GenomicsKnight
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 9:20pm |
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For tacky topsheets (traditionally Chinese ones), black color ones are stickier. For grippy Euro/Japanese topsheets, the color makes little difference in terms of grippiness. Nowadays, that fine line is getting blurred. |
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Posted: 03/06/2007 at 9:30pm |
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I have discovered that it's often more difficult to find the typical FH rubbers in Black. Many times distributors only offer one choice . . . RED and on BH the choice is BLACK. I don't know if there is really any difference R+B in the texture of the rubbers I've used, but I can't help thinking they are different because they look so differenct and YES . . . reflect differently. I wish I could go with black on both sides. The RED on my own blade actually distracts me a little. And yes, using a Seemiller grip there are some BIG advantages to using the same color on both sides, but we all know that advantage has been taken from me, so . . . . is there a difference between RED and BLACK? Yes, I don't like red. :-).
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Posted: 03/07/2007 at 5:34pm |
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interesting topic... i don't know if the colors make too much difference, i've always played with red, in comparison, my previous rubber which is couple months old red traditional friendship 729 rubber is stickier than my friend's not too old black dhs h3.
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Posted: 03/07/2007 at 8:47pm |
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no, not really. i noticed that quite awhile ago so i know exactly why.
basically, within the past few yrs, the chinese team decided to play with black rubber on the fh side. no particular reason; it was just a random choice. (some players in china do claim the black side is higher quality though cuz the red has to undergo dyeing.)
anyhow, players just picked up and started copying.
there is also a practical reason. with the black, you can see your contact mark much easier so you can improve your aim.
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leoniedy
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Posted: 03/07/2007 at 9:24pm |
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Hey, prodigyvioana, where did you hear about that decision ? Just wondering... You know what, I want to do a poll - we'll see if an origin is to do anything with this... (of course if people will be honest)
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 12:02am |
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Black is better, but we need both colors. If you use 2 sides then you have a choice to make. I personally don't like looking at the red so I look at the black. The whole dye argument makes sense to me, but what do we do about it. Does the dye make it worse . . . or does it actually improve the texture?
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 1:17am |
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The red side tends to be faster, so most Chinese players will use black to have a bit more control.
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 2:04am |
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tt_freak does this only really apply to chinese rubbers? Are european red and black rubbers the same?
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 3:40pm |
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With chines rubbers the black is tackier. with euro rubbers it doesnt matter.
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 3:42pm |
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I'm half Asian and I'm using Black Globe 999T/Saviga Sponge 2.2
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Posted: 03/09/2007 at 2:11pm |
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I use blackl for my Fh, cause Couga isn't made in red version. Super block red on the bh.
Black side is spinnier but with less speed. It's true for all rubber's, both chinese and jap/euro but how big the difference is might change alot depending on what rubber we are talking about. |
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Posted: 03/10/2007 at 12:42pm |
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The simple fact of the matter is that in 2 sheets of the same rubber, different pigments need to be applied to make the rubber black or red.
They are CHEMICALLY and PHYSICALLY different. Your mileage may vary. |
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Posted: 03/10/2007 at 6:05pm |
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My experience with 729 FX super is that red is always faster and in my case red is better and has a longer lifespan.
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