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    Posted: 07/29/2007 at 5:14am
Just want to know if you can do this:
 
 
 
Can you explain the technique?
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After my opinion, that is a good flick, but the movement is a bit too long. If the ball had been lower, it would be hard to hit the table. When it is no spin you have to press more, even though this player had a good amount of spin.
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I think Petr Korbel of Czech republic was 1 of the pioneers w/ this technique. In the 49th WTTC Semi WLQ vs RSM, WLQ did this so many times to RSM's serves. It was just great to watch.

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Erik Lindh from Sweden was also a great bh-looper over the table.. He is a bit older than Korbel..
 
Wang Hao with his RPB is the master of this thing..
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I'm amazed at how they can flick with the blade angle so closed.
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what is that flick good for?


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see how WLQ did to some of RSM's services or Ma Lin did to CPL's (2002 Pro-tour) or WH did to ermmm..a bunch of others then u know..actions speak louder than words...
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Originally posted by Schlager Schlager wrote:

Erik Lindh from Sweden was also a great bh-looper over the table.. He is a bit older than Korbel..

Wang Hao with his RPB is the master of this thing..


I think Schlager just nailed it. This is not a back-hand flick at all but rather an over the table loop technique. Very effective too as the ball travels quickly to the receivers left after the bounce causing many receivers to totally miss the ball.

Check out Jörgen Persson's training video for a good example of a true backhand flick (or flip).
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It is a back hand flick with very good top spin.

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One of the purposes of a true backhand flick is to NOT generate topspin but rather to return a fast, no spin (or very minimum spin) ball. To do this, you have to contact the ball just bellow the center and lift it, almost like you're "spanking" it, over the net. It's a very, VERY difficult shot, both forehand and backhand.
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Yes most of the time just below the center, sometimes at the center depending on the amount of underspin that's coming at you.
 
But this one's on top with a very closed blade. Can you explain it?
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Yes, as I mentioned earlier, it's an over-the-table loop. For shakehanders, it can be performed on the backhand side effectively, and for penholders, it can be done on the forehand side. The technique depends on a full and powerful wrist and forearm movement because you don't have your waist and shoulder to depend on like in the normal loop. For the backhand side, the elbow must be leading at the start of the stoke and brought down and inside (kind of like a see-saw motion) rapidly for proper execution. It is a tight brush stroke, so the blade can remain quite closed, depending on the underspin and where and how you want to place the ball.
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yeah, this is not a flick. an over-the-table loop with a fair bit of sidespin. both shakehanders and penholders can do it.
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Originally posted by namari namari wrote:

One of the purposes of a true backhand flick is to NOT generate topspin but rather to return a fast, no spin (or very minimum spin) ball. To do this, you have to contact the ball just below the center and lift it, almost like you're "spanking" it, over the net. It's a very, VERY difficult shot, both forehand and backhand.


I dont quite agree with this description. In fact, with flicks fh & bh. There is a strong element of checking the height of the ball you are hitting: If its low then the shot is as Namari says. But if its same height as net or higher then there will be much more punch in the flick, and it may even be a winner.
I agree about not too much topspin. If theres too much top you end up giving yr opp a nice easy ball to time. Whereas if you punch flat, or lift soft (depending on height) its more difficult for opp.
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Well said, Pingpongpaddy . I also stand corrected by BKTT who said, "both shakehanders and penholders can do it". I was thinking in terms of one sided penholders, but with the advent and popularity of the two-sided penhold style, double sided penholders can execute the over the table loop on both the forehand and backhand sides.
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