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Kupus
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Posted: 01/20/2008 at 9:20am |
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Especialy 7P2A CARBON, enyone playes with it, review maybe:)?
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holda
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someone has this carbon laminated blade..i remember the person's saying it was too slow...
i have one thas is 7 ply all hinoki.it is an offensive blade with good control.great for spinny shots.
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leobor
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I've played one year with 7p-2a carbon. It's a blade not very fast (off-- or all+), good in control on topspin's strokes,transmits many spin at the ball,good in block and defence, not good in pushing without spin, impossible for an offensive player to play without reglueing.Surely the slower offensive blade i've ever tried.
I play with Hurricane2 on both sides. I've played also with 7p - 2a 7t , more powerful in all offensive strokes but not great control in block. |
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Ignarus
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Got a Darker Speed 90 last year - not the same as what you're looking at but from what I can tell, they make excellent quality blades (though they do charge you for it).
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aeoliah
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I guess it was me. Yes it is slow and I regret having bought it. |
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dalamchops
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at a similar price, if you're SH get a Tanpan, and a J-Speed 90 if you're cpen.
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tuco
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does anyone know of a website that details Darker products?
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Shmo
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Just iruiru.com as far as I know. |
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Even they don't have enough info - you can download a 2005 catalog from their site but you won't get much info... not even the weight of the blades is available I think... |
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aeoliah
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Weight information is no problem at all, just ask M/s Suzuki from iruiru, she will weigh it for you.
Darker makes nice blades for single ply hinoki, but I don't know about other blades. My 7P2A carbon CHN is not made with enough aesthetical care. The handle is not in line with line of the grain of the wood on the blade face, so it is not nice to look at, the handle being at an angle to the grain line. |
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holda
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i don't care how the blade looks,but on my Darker speed 90,handle i s pretty ugly..not that it has something to do with playing.just a little thing i did not expect to find on a 130$ blade..
i don't know why i bought..there are blades made by tibhar and juic..also one ply hinoki..i don't regret,i just noticed there is a price difference
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aeoliah
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That is a shame actually. High priced blades should be meticulously made so it is nice to look at.
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dalamchops
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u kidding me? my J-Speed 90 is definitely beautiful to look at
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unisonus
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My Darker blade is beautiful. Simplicity, quality, and craftsmanship.
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aeoliah
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Dalamchops, unfortunately it is a fact. I have two Darkers, one is Speed 90 (9mm) which has superb craftmanship, superior to Butterfly, and the other is 7P2A Carbon CHN which looks weird because the handle is not in line with the grain line.
Tiehwen, that reminds me of the reply from Borko against my complain: "Do you want performance or fashion"? |
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tommyzai
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I have a 7p2A-t/Straight Handle. I like the grains on the face of the blade and I like the handle, even though it's a little crude, but the two sides of the handle are not horizontally in-line/parallel to each other on the top. When I draw a pencil mark across the top of the handle on each side, they are no where near matching (am I making sense?). I do this to create a guide for sealing, attaching glue sheet and rubbers. I haven't played with it yet, but I hope to later this week. |
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aeoliah
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So you are not fully satisfied either. At least I am not the only one.
Tiehwen, in his mind, we need him and he does not need us. Manufacturer is king, not the customer |
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holda
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tommy,could you please take a couple of shots of the blade?
i will do some ,too.i just don't know if somebody will be interested...i have 7p-2a blade and speed 90 now
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tiehwen
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BTW, my Darker handle, it looks 'raw' but eye-pleasing and also symmetrical.
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aeoliah
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Nice! The handle is in line with the line of the grain. This is the correct way to fix the handle. Going off the line would mean careless manufacturing.
It seems that much more people like the 7P2A wood version instead of the carbon version. |
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Does anyone have any information on the 5P-2A? Is it a slower version of the 7P-2A?
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doraemon
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Yes, it seems that people here have more experience with the 7P-2A instead of 5P-2A. I don't usually like 7-ply because they are usually stiffer but in this case, I read that 5P-2A is more powerful due to the 2 stronger plies in between the Hinoki. While for 7P-2A, it's all Hinoki thus less powerful than 5P-2A. I am curious also about Darker as it is hard to get complete information about them.
Anybody knows the detail of the name?
7P-2A = 7 plies with 2 ....???
5P-2A = 5 plies with 2.....???
"A" is certainly not Arylate I guess.
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Could someone please tell me how good Darker J-Speed 90 is? I know it's single plate hinoki which may give a good feel. Is it fast? How's control? I am trying to switch from J-Pen (BTY KTS) to C-pen as I want to learn RPB. My choice would be a single plate hinoki so that it won't be too different with my current blade. Thanks. |
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aeoliah
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I have never tried that, but from my various blade having 9 and 10 mm, the J-Speed 90 (8,5 mm) will not be very fast, compared to its older brother 9 and 10 mm hinoki.
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tuco
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Exactly, if anyone knows what the manufacturer's website is, please share. I don't seem to find any info in google.
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Flicker
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I have a 5P-2A and had also played with the 7P-2A. It is correct that the 5P-2A is more powerful than the 7P-2A. Read the thread below to get a detailed review from chronos on the 5P-2A.
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Exactly, if anyone knows what the manufacturer's website is, please share. I don't seem to find any info in google.
Unfortunately until now it is not available. |
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