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    Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:30am

After practicing for several times, I would like to share my impression of these 2 blades.

 

Specification:

Layers:  ZLC � 5+2, ZLF � 5+2

Thickness:  ZLC � 5.6mm, ZLF � 5.4mm

Weight:  ZLC � 85g, ZLF � 80g

Handle:  Both are ST

Rubbers:  Both sides of Tenergy 05 were stuck on ZLC and ZLF

 

My first impression was that the hitting feeling of ZLF is softer than ZLC. In addition, ZLC performs high speed than ZLF. But I can only say that different players would like to have different hitting feeling.  Therefore, I think the performance is more critical for reference.

 

Forehand practice:

ZLF generates softer feeling while looping and better trajectory can be generated in comparison to ZLC. It is due to adequate dwell time for making full stroke of looping. Higher returning rate can be achieved during competition mode. When hitting and smashing, ZLF generates a bit vibration while exerting greater force. The reason may be that ZLF has thinner structure and the fiber layer is softer than ZL carbon.

For ZLC, I feel stiffer feeling when looping and smashing. ZLC generates relatively less spin than ZLF due to the shorter dwell time and higher bouncing rate. You need to make full stroke of looping within a bit less time period than ZLF so that adequate spin can be generated. But I love the smashing power of ZLC.  Flat trajectory and greater power is achieved. Your competitor will have less chance to return. If skillful player handles this blade, I think great spin and high speed will be achieved.

 

Backhand practice:

Absolutely, ZLF performs better control and better looping on backhand when receiving the ball. The returning and landing point can be controlled well. ZLF is good for the player with backhand looping style. ZLC performs acceptable control when receiving the ball. Relative flat trajectory than ZLF is experienced on backhand looping. However, as I mentioned before, ZLC also performs better smashing power on backhand.

 

Limitations of ZLC and ZLF:

The player may need to have full stroke of hitting on ZLF so that the power and speed can be generated.   On the other hand, ZLC may require the player who mastered better looping skill and hand feeling so that the adequate spin can be performed.

 

Conclusion:

It�s all my personal opinion. It may not be available for everyone. It was concluded that ZLF is perfect for both-side looper and who can self-exert force in close table to achieve fast attack.  ZLF is suitable for the player who is mainly playing with looping and sometimes smashing.   Absolutely, ZLC is more powerful blade (in comparison with ZLF only). I would suggest the skillful player to try this blade.

 

Speed: ZLC > ZLF

Spin : ZLF > ZLC

Hand feeling of looping: ZLF > ZLC (It is just my personal point of view)

Hand feeling of smashing: ZLC > ZLF  (It is just my personal point of view)

 
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hehe......my ZLC, ZLF and ALCTongueTongueTongue
 
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I use a MIzutani now and was thinking about getting a ZLF. But now I'm worried it will be too slow....
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hi,
 
I was using MIzutani Jun before. Tongue I love the hitting and looping feeling of this blade. Since the outer ply is made of Limba. I feel the Koto ply of ZLC and ZLF are bit stiffer for me......Sleepy
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How much slower is the zlf than the mizutani?
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Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

How much slower is the zlf than the mizutani?
 
heheTongue.....I try to explain with some figures
 
if mizutani = 90, then ZLF = 78
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yikes. Probably too slow......Dang I was really excited about that blade too. And you would prefer Mizutani over the ZLC?
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So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
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Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

yikes. Probably too slow......Dang I was really excited about that blade too. And you would prefer Mizutani over the ZLC?
 
In my opinion, if you have been using Mizutani.....absolutely, no need to go with ZLF.Tongue
 
As I have not practiced with Mizutani for a moment. I only remembered that the speed is closerLOL
 
However, my 2 pcs of Mizutani are approx 91g but the ZLC only has 85g.....
 
Let me practice with Mizutani and ZLC again....then making conclusionTongue
 
 
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Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
oh........I only practiced with ALC for 20 mins............as I previously concentrated on ZLC anf ZLF.....
 
I will seriously try ALC and get back to you all very soonWink
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super_tt,

It's a GREAT review.  Clap

I would say that your review met the Speedy's standard if it mean anything to you.  Smile
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Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

super_tt,

It's a GREAT review.  Clap

I would say that your review met the Speedy's standard if it mean anything to you.  Smile
 
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Thank youLOL
 
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Yes, great review...

Please do a review of the ALC vs. the ZLF... That's the review people have been waiting for on this message board!

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i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
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Do you think that the Photino would have more dwell time because of the Hinoki outer plies or would the ZLF?
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Photino has OODLES of dwell time if you pair it with the right rubbers. But since the zlf is slower, it might. The Photino is an awesome blade I just wish it was a tad bit thinner and lighter.
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Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

Photino has OODLES of dwell time if you pair it with the right rubbers. But since the zlf is slower, it might. The Photino is an awesome blade I just wish it was a tad bit thinner and lighter.


Do you prefer Mizutani over photino? Are they very different?
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i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 
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Originally posted by schumi27 schumi27 wrote:



Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

Photino has OODLES of dwell time if you pair it with the right rubbers. But since the zlf is slower, it might. The Photino is an awesome blade I just wish it was a tad bit thinner and lighter.
Do you prefer Mizutani over photino? Are they very different?


They are quite different. Mizutani has a lower throw angle, feels alot harder and crisper. Photino is softer, has more dwell time. Personally I don't find much of a different in speed. Actually, because of it's weight I think you can get more power out of a Photino.


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Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
oh........I only practiced with ALC for 20 mins............as I previously concentrated on ZLC anf ZLF.....
 
I will seriously try ALC and get back to you all very soonWink
 
Any new info super?? Smile
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Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
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Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
oh........I only practiced with ALC for 20 mins............as I previously concentrated on ZLC anf ZLF.....
 
I will seriously try ALC and get back to you all very soonWink
 
Any new info super?? Smile
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As I am busy on my work recently and will take serious test for alc asapTongueWink
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Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
 
hi,
 
As I like the case TongueLOLtherefore I bought this set of limited edition. But the price is a little expensive than i expectedCry
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Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

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I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 
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can u take a picture of the inside of the case?


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hi Poker

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ahhh.. it looks like it was a hard case from the outside....but its the plastic thing on the inside that makes it look hard then right?


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Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
 
hi,
 
As I like the case TongueLOLtherefore I bought this set of limited edition. But the price is a little expensive than i expectedCry
 
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Originally posted by pokerpete pokerpete wrote:

ahhh.. it looks like it was a hard case from the outside....but its the plastic thing on the inside that makes it look hard then right?
Exactly, the case is soft. Then the plastic bracket becomes a supporter
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Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
 
hi,
 
As I like the case TongueLOLtherefore I bought this set of limited edition. But the price is a little expensive than i expectedCry
 
how much the prices?
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It costs US$240LOL
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