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My New Timo Boll ZLF - The Verdict |
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lildudejds
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Tuesday I received my Timo Boll ZLF FL. I paid 105 Euros which I think is not a bad deal at all. It weighs 81 grams, and is DEAD SEXY. The construction is just plain awesome.
I put Tenergy 05 2.1 on the FH and Tenergy 64 2.1 on the backhand. Keep in mind I am coming from a mizutani. Speed - Mizutani is definitely faster, the ZLF is slower than the ratings suggest. But it still takes a serious ego to claim that it is "too slow". It is definitely fast enough. Control - Really good control. Better control than mizutani. Feel - Feels a lot different. It vibrates a whole lot more, but it is nice. Blocking with this blade is REALLY good compared to mizutani. Especially with 64 on the bh, I can block in my sleep. It can create some pretty good spin because of the dwell time. Is it worth what butterfly charges in America? No. It is a good blade, but nothing really seperates it from some other blades out there. I think the whole zylon thing is kind of a gimmic. I don't think it really does anything. Do I feel cheated? No. I didn't pay the $199 they want in America, and I would never. It is still a really good blade no doubt and will remain my main set up. Paired with tenergy, both 05 and 64, it is a spinning machine. It is fast enough to kill the ball when I need to, but controlled enough that I can keep the ball on the table. I would recommend this blade to people for sure! I love how light and thin it is, yet still has substantial power. I can take some pics of my set up if anybody wants. I don't really see the point though as you know what it looks like...but I guess people like seeing pictures that aren't the manufacturers. |
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Do you personally feel the overall performance of ZLF is better then Mizutani?
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lildudejds
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Certain aspects of it. Control is better, it can create spinnier loops.
Mizutani is still a good blade though. Lower throw is better for drives and over all speed. ZL carbon and the just plain ZL(zylon) have very different feels. |
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LOOPMEISTER
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Thanks for the review. As I remember, you've used a Photino. How does it compare to that?
Also, can you compare it to a ALC or TBS? Thanks |
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le xex
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nice weight...the butterflyonline says its supposed to have around 86g and yours is 5 whole grams lighter than the average..
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DeathAngel
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How does it compare to the photino? Thickness also.
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Thanks for the review |
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lildudejds
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It's much different than the photino. Photino is like 7mm thick, this is only 5.4mm. It's very thin. I personally like this a lot better. Photino just felt to big and bulky. I have more confidence to swing away with the ZLF. Photino feels a lot different. The hinoki gives it a much different feel and it is a lot faster. ZLF feels more solid, and gives better feedback.
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lildudejds
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Another note, My backhand has never been so deadly now that I have T64 on the back. I'm very happy with it. It is pretty much exactly as I expected it to be.
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I can't wait to get my hands on it. Mine is on the way...
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lildudejds
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What are you expecting and what blade are you coming from? I can probably help you decide whether it's for you or not.
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lildudejds
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Another session tonight. This blade is the best blocking blade in the world. T64 is also amazing at blocking.
I'm loving this combo more and more every minute I play with it. |
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seems very promising, does it has a woody feel? is it hard or medium feel?
Malin Carbon which is a carbon blades surprisingly has more woody feel than acoustic which is all wood blade. |
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Play withh Butterfly, you will get the best |
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Do you think the ZLF has more,less or similar dwell time compared to the Photino?
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Lildude very cool, love the review and it sounds dam hot. Your the first person apart from myself that refers to a setup as sexy. Anyway I'm super jealous that your blade is 81g, I wish my alc was that weight or less! If I knew I could get it at that weight I would have rethought. Anyway I still love my alc, in particular with long pimples on one side. Because it isnt to fast and yet a bit harder so gives spin reversal but doesnt float off the end of the table that fast carbon does. I know that vibration you talk of, I noticed that with my amultart, I called it reverb, a kind fine vibration unlike a badly made bat vibration which is inconstant. I keep trying to go back to 05 on my backhand and love it but then when retry the 64 again it feels like a breath of fresh air and has a nice clack in punch drive mode.. hope you use your new setup with health co zdravje da ci go sluzis |
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Yur new setup sounds cool and you certainly like it. You did well. Way better than most of us who try out 25 things before we discover what we like. You had better like it for the price. 100 Teuros ( yeah, I spelled it right. You old school Germans who are accustomed to Deutschmarks will know that term well :) ) Then another 100 smackeroos for the rubbers. We'll you are happy and stil at a lower cost than I lot of us went through before we settled on our favorites.
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DeathAngel
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all of this hype i kinda wish i bought the ZLF instead of my photino :(
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How do you like the Roxon 450 on your Ma Lin Carbon? I have a MLC myself (penhold), and still not settled on the backhand rubber. |
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peter79
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Roxon 450 doesn't feel to soft or hard on MLC. If you like harder rubber you may try Zeta. Between Roxon 450 and Zeta: Durability Zeta>Roxon 450 Spin Zeta>Roxon 450 Speed Roxon 450>Zeta Zeta is cheaper, it's a very good BH rubber than Roxon 450. After loosing the grip of my Roxon, I put parrafin oil on the top sheet of roxon 450, soon after put some liquid soap on it. I wipe until the buble comes out, after that I rinse it with water. The topsheet amazingly becomes grippy again |
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tabl10s
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Since the the ZLF and Photino both use ZLF, the difference can only be the thickness and the wood(what does the Photino use anyway?).
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lildudejds
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No tabl10s, they are completely different. They are made of different wood, completely different feel. Not at all the same.
Photino uses hinoki outer plies by the way. |
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tabl10s
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What wood does the ZLF use?
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pokerpete
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how is hitting and smashing with the zlf compared to mizutani
is the zlf hard enough or versatile enough to be a hitters blade ?....or would you recommended for heavy loopers only |
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lildudejds
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eh, it probably doesn't have enough speed for hitting. I'd probably go with the zlc for hitting. The zlf excels at looping for sure.
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Nexy Hannibal
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well what if i said TBS was hard enough for hitting and looping.....would you say zlf is softer and slower than TBS?......or can you comment on that?
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LOOPMEISTER
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This is the comparison I've been waiting for since those new blades were released. |
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Takadigi
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No, ZLF isn't necessarily softer and certainly not slower than TBS. The feel is somewhat similar but ZLF loops better. ZLF also is certainly lighter. Whether you can hit with it or not really depends on what you are used to. I recently moved to ZLF from Schlager Carbon and not a single flat hit went to the other side my first day of playing matches with the new blade. Only one thing came to my mind that night - hitting with ZLF sucks. But I do understand that my experience that night was compounded because of my old set up that was pretty much "a hitter's paradise." But looping, blocking, pushing are all so much better that I can't complain. Switching to ZLF eventually changed my game. I have started to put a lot more spin on balls that I would have invariably attempted a "flat hit" with my Schlager Carbon. The result is that a lot more balls are going in compared my old set up. Net-net I am happier and one of my Schlager Carbon blades will go up for sale pretty soon. BTW, the biggest difference in my game after moving to ZLF is that my backhand loops have become way more consistent. |
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Takadigi
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Absolutely agree with that statement. Yes, it sure is sexy. BTW, mine weighed 83 gms. And I paid $153.50 (14900 Yen with shipping charges) from Iruiru. It is still a good $50 less compared to what it would cost me here in the US. More importantly, I wanted the blade in ST handle that was not available anywhere in the US. By the way, where did you buy it from? |
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speaquinox
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I played with the very same setup (ZLF + 05 + 64) today. I bought the ZLF used, 80 gr. I do agree with lildudejds, it's a great combo. ZLF is stiff but softish with some vibrations. I'll try 64 on both sides.
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