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ppcircle 
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 Posted: 07/14/2009 at 7:40am |
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I don't think it is fair to compare this blade with any Carbon Blades. Carbon Blades including Schlager are too rigid and stiff. It is somcetimes very hard to control when your player serves spinny and powerful attack. The VII blade can serve return without any vibration. This is the advantage of wood balde. In terms of spped, it still behind Hurricane king, tensor, but faster then Violin and Ludeack and Hurricane Hao. This is plys to plys, not carbon to plys nor one ply hinoki.
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 8:05am |
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Maybe this blade excells with light rubbers any one tried? |
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peter79
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 8:25am |
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Ebenholz V ST handle is head heavy, I wonder how head heavy is the FL master or legend handle. I put 2 light rubbers on it, mambo GP n roxon 450 both 40 gr. It already feels head heavy, but not much. Tenergy on Both sides will become really head heavy.
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mcd0nald
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 8:40am |
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i dont know how you measure Stiga NCT VII is behind HK in terms of speed....since i have been using HK (2 blades) for quite long time ...so i m pretty familiar with HK's speed
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 9:17am |
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I agree that Ebenholz st handle is head heavy the legend is more balanced .I know this because I have tested both,mind you they both play well but having more than one blade confuses certain players and I happen to fall into that category. Dont know which one to sell, they both play well.
Watching Chen Qui play I get the feeling his racket is quite heavy by his hand action (I speak subject to correction). The ball comes off this blade really nice as I realised one of by hardest ever kills yesterday during practice,It drew coments from onlookers.and like I said there is something ,some technique we ebenholz users have to unlock before this demon blade delivers, it is there I feel it.
Mean while I am still faced with having to decide which one of the worlds most beautifull blades to keep. (laugh)
I refer to Chen Qi because he is the only world class player I know of that use this blade . Does any one know other world class players who have adopted this blade.
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 9:33am |
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To Mcdonald from Australia , how does your blue whale work with your Ebenholz blade? Is it conflicting or are you happy with the combination you have chosen . I will be happy to hear your reply as I am trying to find the right FH rubber for this blade.
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peter79
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 9:36am |
I thought ST handle is bigger than the FL, which make the blade not so head heavy  Have you tried Master handle? Which is better between master or Legend for big hand player? |
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 9:46am |
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Imagine a straight handle player not knowing which blade to keep between a st handle and a FL handle ,there must be something there to cause this conflict of choice .I just cant pinpoint it yet but some how the legend seem more balanced. I have never tried the master handle,therefore I am in no position to comment. |
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johnny89atc
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 10:13am |
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The Master handle is thinner than the Legend, so Legend would be better for bigger hands... I have tried an Ebenholz NCT V Master handle and it was also head heavy, I believe that the Legend handle will be more balanced...
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 12:55pm |
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do any other pros besides Chen Qi use it?
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Stavros
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 1:45pm |
Or, do any other PROs use any other Stiga blades? |
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 3:02pm |
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I don't know another pro using an Ebenholz blade...I have heard that some members of the chinese national team are testing them...2 pros that use stiga blades are Ko Lai Chak and Jorgen Persson with a Donic handle. I have also seen many chinese players using stiga blades in the chinese super league (clipper is popular)...
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mcd0nald
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 4:19pm |
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hi chris,....i have no problem with blue whale 2 on my bh at all,. i thought when i switched from HK to Ebenholz was bh (use Blue Whale 2 on my bh) and it worked fine.
Please be noted, i am more in H3 rubber than blue whale for fh though... currently, i am still happy and i will stick with this combination for a while problem is that i really can't give more infos since i only used ebenholz for a day, tonight will be my second day having familiar with new gear will take around 2-4 weeks (for me at least)
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mcd0nald
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 4:24pm |
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agreed,...also friend who played in chinese match series told me, 70% chinese players use Stiga wood....
some players who got sponsored by other brands also use stiga wood but change the brand handle only
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 8:43pm |
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Thank you Mcdonald for your appreciated info. |
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johnny89atc
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 10:02pm |
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I have just read in a german forum that Smirnov is also using the Ebenholz NCT VII...
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 10:47pm |
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wow...so this blade must be good....
or strong marketing from Stiga got them play with it  cant blame them,..this black diamond is too darn eye catching |
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 10:51pm |
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I totally agree |
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ppcircle
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Posted: 07/14/2009 at 11:05pm |
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It is a miracle. I find the NCT VII serve a very low arc of throw when stroke in close table. Any one have this experience?
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Posted: 07/15/2009 at 5:04am |
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I suppose Ebenholz does not splinter. Does it?
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Posted: 07/15/2009 at 5:12am |
It comes with factory sealed, splinter free  |
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Posted: 07/15/2009 at 2:22pm |
yeah like peter79 said, it comes sealed. the finish and quality on it is very very nice. beautiful blade. don't expect a rocket outta it though. |
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/15/2009 at 4:31pm |
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Ebenholz ....this blade gets more amusiing by the minute ,one thing is certain though a great deal of marketing went into this product.
To get to the point one of my blades dropped and it flaked slightly to the top not noticeable but somewhat in a pequilar manner .on further examination of the .5 mm flake i held in my hand it resemble laminate used for covering counter tops in kitchens. This is the thin brown outermost layer of the blade, again let me emphasise I am not a blade manufacturer or any kind of expert in this area .However I am a professional spray painter and I have done several finishes on kitchen cupboards and this outermost layer breaks odd like laminate and it does not appear to be wooden . Can Stiga respond to this outermost layer I am now Questioning. .........Any of you forum members care to take off a small peice and prove this for yourself. I await responses.
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mcd0nald
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Posted: 07/15/2009 at 7:39pm |
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second day of using ebenholz,....
so far so good.... one point i notice that ebenholz got good block and push especially on bh, better than using HK.... and also i am getting more solid loobing with my bh on my second day played angle a lot and positioning and i felt very good too still limited my movement close to table since i am so scared to hit table so yeah..... mid distance rally was good too but bear in mind, ebenholz is not as fast as STIGA advertised but i am happy enough with the blade |
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MaoaMz
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Posted: 07/31/2009 at 8:31pm |
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How would ebenholz V compare to VII in terms of speed and control? im looking to get one of them, but i do not want a rocket of a blade. Also what would either blade be comparable to in terms of speed and control within the current stiga range?
doesnt seem to have to many reviews on these blades around on here or the internet. |
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chris.b40
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Posted: 07/31/2009 at 8:53pm |
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Ebenholz is not splinter free, took my dhs 652 off and the top layer splintered in three different places as I lifted off my rubber which was attached by a glue sheet
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Posted: 07/31/2009 at 9:32pm |
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Glue sheets are a bad idea. They usually stick very strongly to the blade.
Ebenholz's top ply is extremely thin, and prone to splintering around the edges. It doesn't matter which direction you pull the rubber off from, you have to do it with extreme care, or you will just end up ripping pieces of the top ply off.
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Posted: 08/01/2009 at 9:11am |
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chris.b40, how is the blue whale 3 playing since uve had it for a while now
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Posted: 08/01/2009 at 9:51pm |
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To tell the truth Iam using bw2 on my fh this oe was ordered for me by Ray my tt president and i am now only getting the feel for it,as for the bw 3 have not tried it yet . my sig says bw3 fh that should read soon to be. By the way folks at the tt store sent some nice pics of donic sponsered players along with a magazine of donic gear with both bwhale orders. EBENHOLZ NCT V11 IS REALLY A GREAT BLADE. AS I CONTINUED PRACTICING WITH IT I REALISED THAT THIS IS NOT JUST ANOTHER PRETTY FACE . SOMEHOW MY BLADE SEEM NOTICABLY FASTER AND CHANGES GEARS AUTOATICALLY .IT HAS A GREAT TOUCH FEEL, MY SHOTS ARE BARKING DOWN THE OTHER END OF THE TABLE LIKE A BULLET FROM A GUN,A VERY POWERFULL GUN .MANY PEOPLE REVIEWING THIS BLADE INCLUDING MYSELF HURRIED THIS REVIEW FROM EXCITENT AND DID NOT GIVE ENOUGH TIME ACCESSING IT, MAYBE MORE REIEWS WERE PRESSING OR MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS A FACT THAT THIS BLADE TAKES A LOT MORE TIME TO GET USED TO AND THEYWERE PRESSED FOR TIME, BUT TAKE MY WORD WHEN I TELL YOU THIS IS MY BEST BLADE TO DATE, GO OUT AND GET ONE ,YOU WONT BE SORRY.BY THE WAY I DONT WORK FOR STIGA OR ANY OTHER BADE MAUFACTURER I AM QUIT IMPRESSED WITH THIS BLADES PERFORANCE.
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Posted: 08/26/2009 at 6:38pm |
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Have anyone played EBenholz V? I just wonder how flex and dwell time of the blade (compared with HK)
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