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i think it's time to resurrect this thread. someone pm'd me asking for equipment. i forgot what country he was from. anybody got spare used rubbers or blades?
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Appreciated you so much. I think tabble tennis brings a lot of fun to these children.

And absolutly agreen with "we are not just sportsmen but rather people who have the character, discipline and compassion for our sport not only for our own advancement but also for the development of others in our beloved sport‘.


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i think its about 20 USD if by regular postal mail consists of 2-3 blades and maybe 4-6 rubbers
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Originally posted by Slade Slade wrote:

Any worthwhile places to send in the U.S.? Have a little bit that can go but the last round cost too much to ship


I was thinking the same thing.
As the cost of 10 x 500gram parcels will be double if not more higher than 1 x 5kg.

Is there any suggestions regarding a collections point in U.S. that can help collect, combine and ship out?
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Any worthwhile places to send in the U.S.? Have a little bit that can go but the last round cost too much to ship
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Hi All

Just a friendly reminder if you have some old equipment lying around that you woulld like to donate, and if you can help post it to Cape Town, South Africa too.

PM me please if you can assists

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zap, try contacting ittf about your project. they sent me dhs rubbers and rackets twice in 2 yrs. ill give you the email address.
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Hi All,

I would like to ask, if there is any donators out there that can assist by continuing this project for South Africa.

The season has come to an end now, but will restart in April 2013, however a lot of youngsters will likely start again in Feb/March.

I am hoping from now to Jan (3 months), we can gather some donations of used rubber/blades, and even funds to help postage/custom clearance. I am hoping the donation can arrive between Feb to March 2013.

Yogi_Bear,
could you kindly assist by sharing your past expierence on what is the best methods to gather and sending the donated goods.

Thank you all in advance
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Lol, officially I am the only penholder in South Africa. These kids do try to copy me during fun play, but I think SH is easier to master. Maybe in the future I can find the ones that want to become a penholder. Also, you have to see the faces when they saw my "cpen" short handle. They just couldnt' understand it and thought I trim it short myself Tongue

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Yeah, that is me.
I don't normally like to be in photos..... Embarrassed

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are you the one feeding the balls to the kids zap? nice
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

As promise, some photos from training this evening

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I don't see any kids using penhold.... 
A player from South Africa using penhold would be nice to see :)
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As promise, some photos from training this evening

http://imageshack.us/g/1/9764557/

Total 4 players today, but I see there was no photos of the 4th.
Some other players are writing exams now so didn't come to practice.
I forgot to take photos of the bats, will do that next time.

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Yeah, this is where I found my passion of giving more than gaining from others.
I asked one of the coahces why he is doing it, he told me, because when he was small, other guys did it for him and now it is his turn to give back.

Also, a lot of children are from community that have drugs and gangs. Sports take these children off the street and teach the children to work hard to achieve something (and not the easy way).

Of course there is also some ugly side like politics etc, but overall, as long as every body is doing somethings for the childrens, it is a good thing.

In the photos, that young girl (12 yrs old) with a dunlop bat (new), the bat was donated by a guy that was 17 years old. He saved up some money to purchase it and "donate" to the club. The bat is about USD16 retail price, but it means a lot to the little girl.

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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Wow sounds interesting, thanks for the insight on South Africa! The coaching problem you talk about seems difficult, since the coaches/clubs have to pay for many expenses. Are most of the top players imported or home bred? How would you rate the level of the players in the league? 1500-2200?


I forgot to mention that the coaches are clost to offering FOC services if not FOC like me.
The ones that are getting paid - I think is just breaking even.

There haven't been much imported players. Only 2 was both from China (imigrated to SA for other reasons). Both of them female ended up being South African womens champion with ease. One of them was still young (unveristy age) and a formal provincial junior player in China. The other was a 50yrs old+ former top player in China and Heilongjiang provincial junior coach.

Level of play, this is the tough one as I am not familar with US rating, but my guess from comparison in the past (using Sweden and Belgium ratings). The top SA players should be about 2300~2500 - assuming 2500 is the highest when peak - during full time training.

The league has - Premier league (all 10 teams)
1st league, 2nd league all the way to 5th league or 6th league.

The lowest league level is really "beginners", but above your "basement" type of play. I dont' know how to guess those players rating.

There is also the junior league - where my photos was taken from.
there is 4 divisions in the junior league, with the youngest competing is around 10 to 12 year old, with about 1 to 2 years of play.

I'm fascinated with all the support from the coaches, clubs, and government. Good for the sport, and a healthy activity for the children. 
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Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Wow sounds interesting, thanks for the insight on South Africa! The coaching problem you talk about seems difficult, since the coaches/clubs have to pay for many expenses. Are most of the top players imported or home bred? How would you rate the level of the players in the league? 1500-2200?


I forgot to mention that the coaches are clost to offering FOC services if not FOC like me.
The ones that are getting paid - I think is just breaking even.

There haven't been much imported players. Only 2 was both from China (imigrated to SA for other reasons). Both of them female ended up being South African womens champion with ease. One of them was still young (unveristy age) and a formal provincial junior player in China. The other was a 50yrs old+ former top player in China and Heilongjiang provincial junior coach.

Level of play, this is the tough one as I am not familar with US rating, but my guess from comparison in the past (using Sweden and Belgium ratings). The top SA players should be about 2300~2500 - assuming 2500 is the highest when peak - during full time training.

The league has - Premier league (all 10 teams)
1st league, 2nd league all the way to 5th league or 6th league.

The lowest league level is really "beginners", but above your "basement" type of play. I dont' know how to guess those players rating.

There is also the junior league - where my photos was taken from.
there is 4 divisions in the junior league, with the youngest competing is around 10 to 12 year old, with about 1 to 2 years of play.


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Wow sounds interesting, thanks for the insight on South Africa! The coaching problem you talk about seems difficult, since the coaches/clubs have to pay for many expenses. Are most of the top players imported or home bred? How would you rate the level of the players in the league? 1500-2200?
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Had no idea you were from South Africa Zapenholder. How is the playing situation there? How are the clubs? 

Well, I've been all over the show. So more like I am in South Africa now Tongue

I think there was some sponsorship (compared to 5 years ago when I was last on the scene) for tables. All the clubs (affliated to the national tt board) here got sponsored/loan Stag DX2000 tables.
There has been a lot more juniors/cadet than before. A lot of previous natational junior players are now adults and also doing coaching. And certainly a lot new clubs forms since 5 years ago.

I think in general the game is getting bigger.
But I think still lacking enough hours of training and higher quality coaching (too little coaches too) to really get the guys to the top. A lot of juniors don't focus on footwork, and this is something that I have been trying to implement with extreme difficult (footwork wise) multiball drills. I have seem problems with footwork for top 5 ranked juniros in different age group.

Even though there is more funding than before (ie High performance center for the top players, but limited to the chosen ones, overseas trips for the national team etc), but on the ground level the juniors rely on coaches to pick them up and drive them around to matches as well as assist with equipment. In some cases, the coaches will even sponsor trips for the kid to tournaments (the coaches gets donations on behalf of the kids). The local provincial TT guys is making it as affordable as possible, but there is still some that can't do it alone.

One of the clubs I am coaching at, the owner is funding a lot of things out of his pocket. IE all the balls used was purchase by himself, and I hear beggining of the year he bought a gross of them, and now there is less than half...and he is getting worried lol. One thing I like about him and his club is that he is getting Para guys involved in TT, and the Deaf team also plays with him. He is the one invited me to the Deaf school to do a full day of Table Tennis training there.

The clubs fees is very cheap - compared to what I hear on the forum.
I pay something like USD45, for the club for the year, which includes the league fees (which I hardly play and act more like a reserve player nowadays). The league fee is about half of that. Our club is one of the more expensive ones here.

The club I am at is apparently the biggest in the country with just under 60 players with 8 teams in the league (of between 3 to 5 players). Can put up max 12 tables.
The league structure I think is decent and challenging, but the only disadvantage is they play 10 GAMES, 3 x 3 singles with 1 doubles, all best of 5s. Thus it finish quite late, normally on Wednesday from 7pm (but you know things never start on time), so budget 7:30pm to 11pm.... One reason why I don't play anymore.

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Had no idea you were from South Africa Zapenholder. How is the playing situation there? How are the clubs? 
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

wow those are crappy bats! anyway, ill send you some come november. would dawei rubbers be good enough?


Thank you Yogi_bear Smile.
Btw, my practice on Sunday was canceled, I will take more photos again on Monday evening.

Yes, those bats are crappy, or have so many damages.... But I don't think I saw the worse yet.
In Oct or Nov, I am invited by one of the club owners to travel to a town 100km away, at a school for the deaf and have few deaf players (there were dress in red tshirt in this tournament).

When we are there (township area), I believe I will see a lot worse equipment than what I have seen in the city.
Of course you still have some wealthy ones in the city, ie a player's dad ordered her a TBS spirit with T05 on both sides recently, but I will say that is very very rare - even for the top players in South Africa that are not sponsored.

Regarding Dawei - Yes PLEASE. I am sure it is 10 times or 100 times better than some of what those players are using.

One thing I did noticed is, all of these kids are using soft sponge to medium sponge rubbers. I am not sure how they will adapt to Chinese rubbers.

I think the past 5 to 10 years there was a lot of 729FX, I think super soft. I was the only DHS user here, and now I don't think there is any Chinese rubbers used in South Africa. I think it can be either 1 of 2 reasons - either no one bought them in, so no users. Or maybe they don't know how to use Chinese rubbers.

I gave 4 sheets of H3 away (each about 3 months usage) a month or 2 ago. I actually want to check on the feedback there.

Regarding the cost for value, I think Chinese rubbers is critical here.



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wow those are crappy bats! anyway, ill send you some come november. would dawei rubbers be good enough?
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Here we go:
http://imageshack.us/g/1/9759401/

Some of the players I coach either individual or during team training:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/dsc07262o.jpg/ Left
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/dsc07252.jpg/ 2 of the right
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I took some photos of their equipment.
Most of the juniors get second hand equipment from the seniors (who either buy or get sponsored). Some of these juniors have been using these equipment for more than a year.
Butterfly was kind enough to sponsor one of the clubs 50 shirts, and the club just had their club name printed on too. You can see some Dunlop and Lion bats, as well as no name brands with old but proper rubbers

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Will do,
I'm off to the "junior league" in 30mins time , its a match system for all the juniors from U17 to cadet age.
I will take some photos of these kids and their equipment.

On Sunday afternoon, I will have a training session, and on Monday evening again. I'll take some photos and upload them
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alright, good to hear that. i think we can set up sort of a trust fund for zap's cause and send him either money to buy the equipment or the actual needs. can you post some of the pics of your students with you teaching?
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Also to add, the TT season is coming to an end in October, with the kids writing exams in Nov/Dec and then school holidays.

TT season will restart in Feb 2013 for some serious ones, but April for everyone. So I am hoping (with the guidance of Yogi_Bear and his experience) that hopefully I can get some donations together and send out to be early in January, so we can receive them by February.


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Just came back from coaching.
This young lady (age 15) is number 8 in Africa last year in the U14 age group.
She is using a "cheap" blade, I think it is a Stiga recreational blade, with 2 sheets of Tibhar nimus, from what her father told me is 2 years old already, with damages to the edge and even a tear almost in the sweat spot - I believe it is not even legal to use....

Apparently she will be getting sponsored 2 new sheets next year. But she is playing in the national championship in 2 weeks....

Just to give you guys an idea on the condition of the better playing juniors, yet alone the cadets that really don't have access to decent equipment.

So please, if any one has unwanted equipment, please can you let me know on how you can assist?
Thanking you all in advance


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hi Yogi_Bear,

Thank you so much for bringing it up agian.

To give an update on what I have been doing, I have volunteer in coaching the provincial junior team - free of charge. Some of the players folks also approached me asking to coach their kids. I also been doing it free of charge. This coaching is taking about 15 hours a week from me now, as there is a national championship coming up from 30 Sep. I am also taking leave from work, and funding my own transportation (lucky accomdation is free) for 7 days at a city that is 1600km away from me to manage a U17 team and some players at the tournament
Thus I have been more busy than before, but feeling better as I am doing more for others than doing for myself.

I am also trying to start a TT store and to register to be a reseller with certain brands - from there, I am just aiming for little margin and to break even, but rather building relationship with those brands and hopefully I can get some sort of support structure from the vendors to the local TT comunity here. Currently there is Butterfly/Tibhar/Stiga sponsored juniors, but we are talking about less than 5 in total. and there is Stag that donates tables and barriers, other than that - all the clubs and players are spending money (that they may not have) to have children play Table Tennis.

Feedback after my previous post - I see a lot of cadet (U12/U14) using donated equipment -  those recreational bats - which is a big no no. So at it stands - any rubber/blades new or old will be better than those silk like rubbers they have now (unless they want to play anti spin lol)



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i think we can start gathering some stuff for zap! its been a while since our charity section has made any reports on this activity better start it out again now. alright who wants to donate stuff for zap's cause??
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a lot of people here are willing to help through small means. you just need to find and convince them. i believe table tennis players are not just good people but also people with kind hearts


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a lot of people here are willing to help through small means. you just need to find and convince them. i believe table tennis players are not just good people but also people with kind hearts
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