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speaquinox 
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New generation Tensors. Any reviews on these? They have a very porous sponge like Tenergy's. I wanna hear how they play compared to Tenergy, Boost or older Tensors.
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AMonteiro
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Posted: 08/26/2009 at 5:07pm |
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I tried Tibhar Genius couple days ago. It has a yellow porous sponge.
Compared to Tenergy 05 (I play since last september) Speed: Genius < Tenergy 05 Hardness: Genius softer than Tenergy 05. Same Nimbus hardness. Trow angle: Genius = Tenergy 05 Spin: Genius almost like Tenergy 05 I think Genius is a lot better than older tensors. Looks more durable too. pic from tt-news.de:  |
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Posted: 08/26/2009 at 8:21pm |
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That Donic Baracuda looks pretty awesome. Notice how the "sound" rubbers have their pips so far apart?
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Posted: 08/26/2009 at 8:25pm |
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I'd like to try Roxon330.
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Posted: 08/26/2009 at 10:53pm |
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those new gen. rubbers have some weird sponges!( genius, barracuda)
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Posted: 08/26/2009 at 10:59pm |
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Looks like denser sponge with large air pockets to save weight?
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Posted: 08/27/2009 at 2:02am |
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Thanks for the info. How about the weight of Genius? Did you notice if Genius is lighter than T05? |
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Posted: 08/27/2009 at 9:50am |
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Lighter than Tanergy 05 for sure. About the same Platin and Sinus weight.
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Posted: 08/28/2009 at 5:12pm |
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Anybody play these yet? Any reviews? Comments?
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 1:19am |
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The new Genius and Baracuda sponges look a lot like Tenergy.
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Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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speaquinox
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 3:50am |
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Ordered Genius. I will review it soon.
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 5:49am |
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Barrakuda is ok
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 5:57am |
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 8:16am |
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I tested the Joola X-Plode. It's definitely more spinny than the older ESN-rubbers, but not as spinny as a Tenergy. Also it's not so bouncy like a Sinus or Express One or Roxon, but it's more bouncy than a Tenergy 05.
I really like the X-Plode, it's definitely better then the express one for a topspingame away from the table. |
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 10:56am |
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i'm just waiting for a solid review from a reputable source before i go any further with these new rubbers
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Posted: 08/30/2009 at 11:30am |
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After a week I think Genius is a good choice for players with problems to control Tenergy 05.
Almost same spin and trow angle as Tenergy 05 but less speed and softer feeling. I'm keeping my Tenergy05 both sides because I have a tournament soon, but this rubber worth a try. ps: Nianmor is way better than Genius. It's more like a japanese traditional rubber like Coppa or Mark V with speed glue feeling. |
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 6:38am |
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Genius sounds really good. I wish someone would make a propper review directly comparing with tenergy. You say Nianmor is way better but how? Is the sponge also like genius and tenergy?
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 7:48am |
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I agree with AMonteiro. Genius has a better control than t05.
My topspins are a little bit more efficient (more spinny and fast) with T05 but I do fewer mistakes with genius, especially in short game. |
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I think Nianmor is a complete rubber like Mark V glued. It's good in all areas, because of this I consider Nianmor better than Genius, that excels on spin/loop game. I just can't tell you about durability because I test them only for a couple of days. Today I think almost all Tibhar top players are using Nianmor. They prefer japanese made rubbers instead german made. |
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:04am |
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I have another question about Genius. With softer tensors such as nimbus soft the high arc loops are there but the spin is 'fake'. With tenergy05 the high arc loops are there and the spin is real. Which one is the case for genius? |
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AMonteiro
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:10am |
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Genius has a high arc with a lot of spin, just like T05.
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:16am |
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They both sound like amazing rubbers. Well done Tibhar. Of course with the help from the Japanese
I used to use T05 and 64 for about 4months. They are amazing but 1 problem was the weight. Also i was not ready to use them, I think u need to be of a decent level to use them efficiently making ur game better in all areas rather that better in some and worse in others.
I will eventually go back but i dont like the weight of Tenergy so Nianmor or Genius is what i will be getting. I am leaning to wards Genius tho as i prefer softer rubbers and also it has a slightly higher margin for error.
I hope to find out about the durability in the future, i know Tenergy lasts a very very long time, i sold my sheets to my friend 3 months ago and they r still going strong
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:27am |
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Genius is as heavy as T05 unfortunately.
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:43am |
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Really? ur the first person to say that lol, everyone else says both Nianmor and Genius are lighter than T05
Someone in this very post has a picture of it also
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:51am |
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Mine (a red and a black) are both as heavy as a T05 (exactly the same weight). Maybe I was unlucky.
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:52am |
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Pictures from Jasupo.com
Genius max. Hexer 2.1  Tenergy05 1.9  Tenergy64 2.1  Tenergy25 2.1  Bryce Speed 2.1  Roxon 500 pro max.  Joola Express One max  Sinus max  Nimbus VIP max  |
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:52am |
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Well i hope u was unlucky (no offence) because i dont want heavy rubbers like Tenergy
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 8:56am |
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Hmm acording to those pics, Its same weight as T64 and bryce speed
I hope they r wrong lol
edit: i just realised express 1 is 67g
 if its lighter than that then thats fine by me |
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 9:16am |
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For me is more important the blade balance, I put some grip tape in the handle to get some weight e leave the head not so heavy.
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Posted: 09/24/2009 at 9:55am |
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My Black Genius 2.0mm weighs ~ 63grs uncut. It is quite lighter than T05 for sure. |
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