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kelvinyoong
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Posted: 11/13/2009 at 7:14pm |
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Opinions from the experts on this.
Assuming that only Sriver L or EL rubbers are used on the blade. Which ALL to OFF- rated blade has the highest dwell to maximize spin? Any recommendations especially from Butterfly or Yasaka? |
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Andrzej Grubba AN
Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
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tiehwen
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IMHO, I'd say, these days, it'd be my Pkorbel An. w/Sriver L FH/Sriver EL BH. But years n years ago, it had to be my 1982 Stiga AR An. w/Sriver L FH/Tackiness Driver BH, as there was no Sriver EL then. Seriously, I'm not lying if I say that my opponent got tired, bored and yawned by just waiting for my BH loop-drives to go over the net to him.
Just my reallyx2 humble thought anyway.
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CorkyStClair
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I haven't tried 57 blades like some of you all but when I loop with my Yin-He/Galaxy W6 I swear the ball stays on the face of the paddle for nearly my entire swing.
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kelvinyoong
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Petr Korbel AN is hard to find in Asia. Only the FL models are available.
BTW i love AN handles. |
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Andrzej Grubba AN
Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
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silverhair
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IMO, Donic Appelgren Allplay or Donmic Appelgren Dotec Control. Donic Dima Sawtec has surprising dwell for its speed. Also, IMO, the Yasaka Gatien Extra 3D (with those cute little cuts) has nice dwell time. Stiga Allround Classic gets an honorable mention.
I'd have to defer to Ian Worz, but IMO, blades with good dwell start out flexible with a softer outer veneer as prerequisite. |
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tiehwen
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Only less than handful of ppl here have/use 1. I'm not saying it's the greatest/rarest blade, but it's a gem to me, Me and just ME.
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ejmaster
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hurricane king (05).
that is why one can put all the power that want.
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tdragon
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The question is the best ALL to OFF- blade have the bighest dwell time? So I would name BTY primorac OFF- or Andro Super Core Cell OFF-. Both of them are working great for Sriver EL.
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tiehwen
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rokphish
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so happened that just tiny/wee/tad bit faster than the Primorac puts Korbel into OFF category thus making it out of the range of the question... hahahaha..... j/k... hahahaha...
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tdragon
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tuco
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The Extra 3D you are using has very high dwell time.
The highest dwell (and the spinniest) blade I have used is Juic Bamboo Shot. It is rated ALL+ but unfortunately in reality it is much slower than that.
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The Dark Side is:
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saif
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Cough....cough
My Stiga Offensive Classic |
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TBS FH & BH: T05fx
Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
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tiehwen
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tdragon
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Rack
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My vote goes for the Yasaka Extra.
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Yasaka Ma Lin YEO (1st) , Yasaka Extra CPEN (2nd)
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chu_bun
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I vote for Yasaka Extra 3D too. Much longer dwell time than Petr Korbel. I actually played with 3D + EL 2.0 for a while. Control loop is very easy. But away from the table, sometimes I felt like hitting with a feather. There seems to be not enough speed on the ball even when I swing really fast.
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Clipper Wood, Sanwei Gears FH, Sanwei T88-I BH.
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silverhair
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Who the h#77 are you? Bob Barker? Alex Turbek? There is no wrong answer since its everybody's OPINION. Well, maybe there is a wrong answer. Yours. |
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tdragon
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You always put your nose into other people problem. Don't put your nose into mine. I don't appreciate your talk.
If people want to help, then just answer what the originator ask.
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riker71
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Jonyer Hinoki has great dwell time. It is rated as OFF but could be classed as OFF-
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Stratus Powerwood
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tiehwen
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May I remind you ALL that the FIRST line of Kelvin's Subject/Topic is:
"Opinions from the experts on this."
Again, he said "Opinions", still I consider myself as my own expert of the equipment that I've owned over the years. For example, Bty SC to most/some may be OFF+ but to my local Architect friend, Tony, as he put it "This is okay blade, NOT very fast, A BIT faster than my 1st blade Kenny Pro? Easy to control and I love it and I play with this blade these days ONLY!"... And I said to him...Huh? Seriously, Tony?
So, take it easy, guys....
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saif
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Calm down guys. Lets stay within the boundary of decency and have the respect for everyone's opinion. Tdragon, I am not sure what stiga rates it's OC but it feels like a OFF- blade to me. But I must mention that before this I always played with OFF+ blades only so it could be my perception in this case. Nonetheless, it's a very good blade. Heaps of control, feel and amazingly balanced. |
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TBS FH & BH: T05fx
Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
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johnny89atc
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I think that saif is right. Stiga rates the OC little faster than my Allround Evolution so I say that it is Off-. I guess that when they started to produce it years ago and with the 38mm ball, it was an offensive blade (that explains the name). I have played with a friend's OC and I didn't find it so fast (but the rubbers which my friend had on it were different than mine, so maybe I am mistaken)...
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Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr
FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
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sebas-aguirre
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it's true!!! I wonder why there's always people like "silverhair" who tend to defend other people who have erratic behaviour.... |
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robjkc
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The yasaka offensive 40 has good dwell. It is a soft and flexible 7 ply.
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dauntless
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Mark V Special Edition (Almost identical in feel to Donic Dicon which is in turn slightly more stiff and faster than Primorac OFF-) Tibhar Samsonov Alpha ought to be good enough in this range. Paired with medium rubbers like Sriver EL these all ought to be pretty great. Primorac OFF- with Sriver EL is a pretty hard setup to beat in terms of feel, dwell, versatility, control, swing and stroke development, and lastly quality. Anyway, referring to OP, what is missing from the setups in your signature? |
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1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP Feedback
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kelvinyoong
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The Extra 3D combo in my signature is nice to play and suits my style of play. I like to push and chop with my BH. This is my primary setup.
Now i am wondering if pairing with a Sriver EL on the FH will make it better? As for the Andrzej blade, i think pairing it with a HK1997 isn't very good. It vibrates a lot when i hit and spin generation is not consistent. Could be that i am using a much harder sponge (39-41). So am thinking of either putting Sriver L or EL to replace. Maybe the softer sponge helps me more then harder sponges. |
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Andrzej Grubba AN
Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
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silverhair
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Funny you should mention your experience with HK1997 39-41. I had a similar experience with that hardness. The softer 36-38 Biotech in 2.2mm seems to suit me a lot better. I also like CJ8000c on Dawei Butter 2.2mm sponge. |
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tuco
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Try Mark V.
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dauntless
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Agree that Mark V is still a great rubber
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1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP Feedback
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