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    Posted: 12/17/2009 at 2:24pm
I'm curious about the differences between these two. If any of you have played with them, any info would be most appreciated. I humbly request that you be specific. Not, "Acoustic is better," or, "Violin is cool."
 
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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

I'm curious about the differences between these two. If any of you have played with them, any info would be most appreciated. I humbly request that you be specific. Not, "Acoustic is better," or, "Violin is cool."
 
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For instance, I've heard that the Violin is slightly more flexy and the Acoustic is a bit stiffer.
 
I've also heard that the Acoustic is faster but the Violin has better feel.
 
Are these things I've heard correct?
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I�ve got both. Violin is way slower, stiffer and better feeling. Acoustic has more flex, but much more power. Either can work fine with chinese rubbers, but I would go for the Acoustic if you want to  stick with H3 NEO. Imo Violin is OK with Tenergy, but lacks of power with H3
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My impressions only:

Acoustic - better for looping from mid-distance, more power, softer, but not-as-good feel (or vibrations to hand) as Violin

Violin - looping from close-to-table is very good, with a more forward stroke production can be quite powerful from mid-distance as well.   Slower than Acoustic.  I prefer it over Acoustic for counter-drives, hits and even blocks.   Much/much better feeling than Acoustic.   I find it excellent for over-the-table shots (flips, etc).
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I think Acoustic has amazing feel, best of all blades I've ever tried. I also use H3 on the forehand. It's very crisp, flexy, and great for looping.
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I have an Acoustic FL and have tried Violins on various occasons. The Violin is harder and slower and has a different feel than the Acoustic and the Acoustic is faster, softer and better for looping IMO. I like the feeling from my Acoustic but I think it is a matter of comfort with the blade and understanding what the vibrations mean. Overall both blades are extremely well finished and don't have sharp edges around the blade/handle area. I think Acoustic would be better for the H3 Neo, though it depends on what degree you are playing with. Ma Long used an Acoustic for awhile with H3 on the forehand (back in the speedglue era).
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If you like the handle, and non-composite blades, I don't think you will be disappointed with the Acoustic.
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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

For instance, I've heard that the Violin is slightly more flexy and the Acoustic is a bit stiffer.

I've also heard that the Acoustic is faster but the Violin has better feel.


Are these things I've heard correct?
It is the reverse-Violin is stiffer and Acoustic is more elastic.Between the 2 I would choose Violin.Stiffer blade gives more control for BH and as someone correctly said playing shots over the table is just a joy.If someone doesn't find enough power in Violins all that is needed is a heavy weight blade.I also think,that after trying Darker Vlon on FH of my Violin I will give NEO Hurricane a shot ,too.Put a tensor on the BH,and you will enjoy the blade the most.
I may have gone in a wrong direction,but I sold my Acoustic a while ago. I were to try this blade,I would also go for a 88-92 gr.blade .
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I also think Acoustic has much better feel. It's unique. Violin on the other hand was more ordinary, can find similiar feel 5 ply wood blades.
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Anton, you read my mind...I was thinking about the same thing.
I haven't played with any of them, but for what I have read in some posts and my intuition about the whole picture, I would say:

Acoustic: heavier,faster (may be not much), stiffer, thicker, softer, enough power for playing away from the table, lower throw than Violin. May be a Korbel "de luxe". Excellent for a looping/counter-looping game

Violin: better feel,slower, lighter, more flexible,harder, great for playing close to the table,excellent for blocking,great for people who play with long pimples in the backhand,great for people who like to hit. Looping? Yes, close to the table, but less powerful than Acoustic away from the table.

Let me tell you how I understand terms such as "flexible", "stiff","hard", and "soft".

The opposite of flexibility is stiffness or rigidity.
The opposite of softness is hardness and is related to the outer ply of the blade.
So a blade can be flexible and hard or stiff and soft (or flexible and soft or stiff and hard)



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Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

I also think Acoustic has much better feel. It's unique. Violin on the other hand was more ordinary, can find similiar feel 5 ply wood blades.
I think that you are wrong.
The feeling for Violin is very unique. I would say that it has one of the best feeling 5 wood blade. Comparing with Acoustic, Violin has better feel and control. Blocking with Violin is excellent since the power from the coming ball was absorbed nicely.
Acoustic has the good feel too, but it has more of softer feel. Acoustic is a little faster with more flexible.
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Ok, you're right BMonkey.

Though if I rememeber right, ST handle seems to be more common
among the top-players, though not sure why.

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

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Originally posted by tdragon tdragon wrote:

Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

I also think Acoustic has much better feel. It's unique. Violin on the other hand was more ordinary, can find similiar feel 5 ply wood blades.
I think that you are wrong.
The feeling for Violin is very unique. I would say that it has one of the best feeling 5 wood blade. Comparing with Acoustic, Violin has better feel and control. Blocking with Violin is excellent since the power from the coming ball was absorbed nicely.
Acoustic has the good feel too, but it has more of softer feel. Acoustic is a little faster with more flexible.


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Violin is made more for drive play hence the slightly harder feel. The Acoutic is made more for looping strokes hence the slightly softer feel allowing more dwell time. The Violin is slightly faster despite being much lighter (82g +/- vs 88g +/- for Acoustic).

I personally have more drive in my loop drive and found that the Violin works very well for me.
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Violin faster than Acoustic? I always thought it was the other way round
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I'm very appreciative of everyone's input, but I'm almost sorry I asked! :-) I'm getting all sorts of contradictory info... Ha! I guess if I decide to pick one up I'll have to just flip a coin.
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i love both Acoustic & Violin....
both have unique feel, which i found is different than other 5 ply blades...
Acoustic is slightly faster than Violin....
i am getting my 2nd Acoustic & Violin for Christmas...
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Originally posted by sunilid sunilid wrote:

Originally posted by tdragon tdragon wrote:

Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

I also think Acoustic has much better feel. It's unique. Violin on the other hand was more ordinary, can find similiar feel 5 ply wood blades.
I think that you are wrong.
The feeling for Violin is very unique. I would say that it has one of the best feeling 5 wood blade. Comparing with Acoustic, Violin has better feel and control. Blocking with Violin is excellent since the power from the coming ball was absorbed nicely.
Acoustic has the good feel too, but it has more of softer feel. Acoustic is a little faster with more flexible.


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Anton, if I were you, I would buy both of them, since both of them are unique and nice blade...
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I use Acoustic ST with H3 neo 2,1 on fh...in my opninon they match verry well...about Violin I don't know, I never owned or tested such a blade. But be careful, from my experience Acoustic may vary from 80 gr to 95...The one at 80 gr it's a off- blade...the one at 95 it's a off+. I personally like one between 85-87 gr...its stable and powerful enough and not crazy fast... The handle from acoustic it's generally verry small but you can find one with a normal size from a bigger shop...or the version with L-size handleBig%20smile
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To any of you who've tried both: Which blade vibrates more?

I like a very woody feel with a bit of vibration. If I could have a racquet that felt like a hardbat when I hit the ball then I'd be happy. :-)
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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

To any of you who've tried both: Which blade vibrates more?

I like a very woody feel with a bit of vibration. If I could have a racquet that felt like a hardbat when I hit the ball then I'd be happy. :-)
Err, I'd say that depends on the individual blade and its weight and the rubber on it. But in my experience Acoustic does.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Anton, if I were you, I would buy both of them, since both of them are unique and nice blade...



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get the acoustic, u can blame me if you don't like it
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Originally posted by tdragon tdragon wrote:

I think that you are wrong.
The feeling for Violin is very unique. I would say that it has one of the best feeling 5 wood blade. Comparing with Acoustic, Violin has better feel and control. Blocking with Violin is excellent since the power from the coming ball was absorbed nicely.
Acoustic has the good feel too, but it has more of softer feel. Acoustic is a little faster with more flexible.


I don't think I'm wrong or correct. We are talking about "feel" here, which is mostly personal in this case. You see there are many Acoustic fans and Violin fans here. Both are very good blades, that's for sure. I just prefer Acoustic.
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Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

Originally posted by tdragon tdragon wrote:

I think that you are wrong.
The feeling for Violin is very unique. I would say that it has one of the best feeling 5 wood blade. Comparing with Acoustic, Violin has better feel and control. Blocking with Violin is excellent since the power from the coming ball was absorbed nicely.
Acoustic has the good feel too, but it has more of softer feel. Acoustic is a little faster with more flexible.


I don't think I'm wrong or correct. We are talking about "feel" here, which is mostly personal in this case. You see there are many Acoustic fans and Violin fans here. Both are very good blades, that's for sure. I just prefer Acoustic.
I prefer Acoustic too (It is my main blade now). But I don't see why you say Violin's feeling is just like a normal 5 ply wood. May be you had gotten the fake version. I got one fake before. It had dead feeling and the blade is head heavy. Ouch
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Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

I don't think I'm wrong or correct. We are talking about "feel" here, which is mostly personal in this case. You see there are many Acoustic fans and Violin fans here. Both are very good blades, that's for sure. I just prefer Acoustic.
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For those of you who have tried both, with which one do you think is easier to loop? I am not talking about distance (it can be close or far from the table).I am talking about the act itself of looping...about having a better "bite", you know what I mean (I hope)

Ok,ok, I know that looping has to do with good technique and practice, not a blade. But let me for a second have a fantasy about a "magic pill" and think that equipment can make a big difference!!
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