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    Posted: 01/03/2010 at 12:46am
Is there a euro rubber comparable to tenergy 64?
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I will keep this real simple but euro is Andro right? thatd be Hexer but you should just go type hexer into search as their are many topics already about it and peeps dont like repeating.
 
Hexer is close to tenergy and its cheaper - doesnt matter better or worse you want similar so go search it - no more replies coming from me here
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

I will keep this real simple but euro is Andro right? thatd be Hexer but you should just go type hexer into search as their are many topics already about it and peeps dont like repeating.
 
Hexer is close to tenergy and its cheaper - doesnt matter better or worse you want similar so go search it - no more replies coming from me here

Sorry Boz, but Hexer is Close to Tenergy 05. Tenergy 64 feels more like Roxon 450, although Tenergy uses natural rubber & Roxon uses a composite.

If I had to use a butterfly rubber is would be either Tenergy 64 or Bryce Speed FX, the later is a little soft.
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the "feel" of T64, is similar to Revo-fire....
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Xiom Vega Pro would be a great alternative rubber to replace T64, Vega pro sponge is firm, good catapult, the sponge is a bit harder than T64 (1 or 2 degree I think?), Vega pro has high quality top sheet, good for smash the ball and also push with load of spin. Ball curve is medium to low arc. Good for block or counter. The rubber is play well for loop drive and power loop, slow loop is ok but not good as H3

And the price is right...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote le xex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/03/2010 at 10:59am
Thanks for the info, by euro I meant not only andro but also stiga, tibhar, donic, joola.... Trying to find a rubber that is as close to t64 in terms of spin, speed, feel, and throw angle.
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Originally posted by Username Username wrote:

the "feel" of T64, is similar to Revo-fire....
Revo Fire is softer and alot slower if compare to T64.
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Just found a relatively details review on xiom vega pro but he claims it is even harder than t05. Is it available for purchase yet?
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Xiom Vega series already released. I used Vega pro for couple weeks now and really like it. I haven't play Asia or Euro so I can't say anything about those two.

You could find the rubbers at www.mytabletennis.com for $39
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i tried T64 a while ago so i can't really compare. but i found that joola express xplode is one of the best rubbers IMO. it makes great spin but has control. if you have tried express 1, think of that ... only with more spin and more control
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I believe Vega Pro is meant more to compete with Tenergy 05, and from what I've read it certainly has similar characteristics--just slightly slower with a lower throw angle.

Vega Asia is meant to compete more with Tenergy 64. I've used/use Vega Asia and I have absolutely no complaints. It's fast, but not too fast. It has more grip than any tensor I've played with (but I haven't played with Tenergy, so it might have more grip). Its sponge is hard enough that it is quite controllable on the table (not too springy).
 
However, one thing that took some getting used to: I'm used to Chinese rubbers, which have a pretty high throw angle. Vega Asia has a much lower throw angle than them so I had to adapt. Having done so, I'm very pleased with Vega Asia's performance. For a forehand rubber, in my experience it requires a more forward stroke. Driving and smashing are a joy with it. Big%20smile High, spinny loops seem to require getting your legs into it a bit more (at least more than Neo H3 or Whale II, in my experience). As a backhand rubber (it is currently mine), it requires only slight adjustments in angle to compensate for the lower throw. 
 
Overall, I think it's a great rubber. Asia and Europe are only $36/sheet. Vega Pro is $40/sheet. 
 
 
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I've been using ten05 on my BH for a while now...I am finally good enough where I can stand back and fire BH loops with some consistency and control... but I feel sometimes the Ten 05 wears me out.  I'd like to try Ten 64 (softer...speedier) on BH, except I don't want to all of a sudden lose 3-4g on my overall set-up weight.  So, my question is what rubber out there best approximates Ten 64 while weighing a tad bit more?
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T05 and T64 weigh the same. Sponge is the same. Only the pip geometry is different which makes 64 feel softer. It is also a little faster.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

T05 and T64 weigh the same. Sponge is the same. Only the pip geometry is different which makes 64 feel softer. It is also a little faster.


T64 is lighter in my experience.   Topsheet is not as dense.
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If you want something faster/same weight as your 05... and something that plays similar to the 64 my vote goes to MXP.
64 and MXP are about the same speed although MXP isn't as soft as the 64.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

T05 and T64 weigh the same. Sponge is the same. Only the pip geometry is different which makes 64 feel softer. It is also a little faster.


T64 is lighter in my experience.   Topsheet is not as dense.

Yep. I can definitely confirm this. The difference isn't huge though, 1-2 grams per cut rubber.
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umm....the original post on that was 7.5 years ago

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Lol, oops! (Note: it isn’t wise to reply to threads while on the subway.)

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I actually just checked the uncut rubber weight database.  Uncut, on average at 2.1 mm, T05 averages about 2 grams heavier than T64.  So Next Level was right and I was wrong.  I have to say that I never noticed that difference in playing but I used T64 in around 2008 and switched to T05 a few months later.  So it has been a while. 

To bschap I would just recommend just adding another layer of edge tape if you are worried about T64 being lighter. 
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I realize this is an old thread, but does anyone who has played with Tenergy and ESN feel that there are any similarities. To me they feel quite different, but I haven't played with the newest varieties of ESN. I don't like either types (lack of control and feel) but they do feel quite different, Tenergy offering a different type of spin and possibly a bit more control.

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Nothing feels like Tenergy except Tenergy and this is more true for T05 than T64.  Almost a decade in now and it remains unique.

With that said, there are now quite a few rubbers from ESN and elsewhere that are designed for the same kind of player and which provide really good performance, such that once you get used to it, your playing level will be the same.  These include various of the Evolution, Bluefire, Bluestorm and Rasanter rubbers (and undoubtedly others I have never had a chance to hit with).  The thing is, there are so many variants, as well as pretty good rubbers made in Japan also, that not many people if any will try them all. 

Harder, softer, grippier, faster, slower, more or less linear, there are all sorts of very fine gradations for everything, and there are always trade-offs here and there.  At the end of the day, though, once you get really mentally and physically locked into the properties of one of these, then you will pretty much play at whatever your innate level is.

I think someone who likes T64 might do quite well with Evolution EL-P or Bluefire M2.
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Thanks Baal! Haven't tried and if the newest generation of ESN and maybe I might like some of them.

What I missed when playing with the ESN that I tried out as well as Tenergy was a real connection and feeling between myself and the ball. They was too much in-between. Great shots and all that but it felt like the rubber was in charge and not me.

On the French forum, I noticed quite a number of Calibra players. Calibra had a totally different feel and what's more they were playing with much thinner rubber (1.7, 1.8), probably for the increased feeling. In any case, so far, I haven't found any version of ESN or Tenergy that captures the connection, but I'll try to demo MX or even Rozena if I can find someone at the club that is using them.

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Baal is spot on, there is nothing in the entire world, that captures that tenergy feeling, I m currently using fastarc-g1 with a layer of falco, it has the same grip and throw as tenergy, but not the catapult.
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

Baal is spot on, there is nothing in the entire world, that captures that tenergy feeling, I m currently using fastarc-g1 with a layer of falco, it has the same grip and throw as tenergy, but not the catapult.


A couple of observations.

Tenergy was developed to try to capture speed glue dynamics without speed glue. Since I never used speed glue, I have no idea how successful it is.

ESN has a similar focus but it looks like they are approaching it from an entirely different direction, to the extent that from latest reviews it appears that the latest MX generation has a real smell from all of the manufacturing boosting.

But neither approach can really replicate speed glue, to the extent that Mark V is still one of the most popular rubbers and I still see players with cans of mechanics glue and rubber wreaking of its content. ☺ Table tennis chemistry dies hard.

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Thanks all.  Baal, I'm trying to do away w edge tape.  :-)   I had a thought...I've never tried MX-P..in fact T05 is the only rubber I've used since my development took off.  I'm kinda curious to see how pushes and the short game are w MX-P and not the notoriously difficult T05.  So maybe what I do is...switch to MX-P on FH, try Ten64 on BH, and the overall weight of set-up stays basically the same.  I am anticipating T64 being difficult to wield aggressively over the table...like w counters.
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many peoples many minds.
   My people do think the Palio AK47 (blue) playing very close to Tenergy.
Palio is the bestseller with Russian vendors.

http://www.tabletennisdb.com/rubber/palio-ak-47-blue.html

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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

many peoples many minds.
   My people do think the Palio AK47 (blue) playing very close to Tenergy.
Palio is the bestseller with Russian vendors.



Its bestseller because cheap. People cant afford to buy good equipment
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