ITTF Pro Tour Grand Finals 2009 (videos)

mudr.nudl wrote: i will record ittv - that is sure... pls somebody record cctv...

my i know how to record from itTV?

Jonan wrote: takaaki wrote: i could care less if they have park at no. 10 or no. 1 at ratings central.  they can leave her at no. 10 all they want--it just shows how much of a bulls**t system it really is.how could it be better??  is it better than the ittf at measuring performance in their own events?is it even a better measure of who is actually a better player?the answer to both questions is a resounding no!!i vaguely remember that they have that north korean in the top-20.  when does that north korean ever play internationally??  almost never.  probably cuz they're afraid if they let him out of country too often, he'll run away (like kreanga).you can't have a ratings/ranking system based on who's "better?"  the only way to tell if one player is "better" than another is to see their lifetime head-to-head and that, in most cases, is impossible. Alrighty, it's plain to see that you're going to be a dick about this so I'll drop it. There is clearly no way to make you happy and it's either your way or stfu.

well, i would rather say that i'm, uh, cocksure that i'm right on this issue!!

takaaki wrote: i could care less if they have park at no. 10 or no. 1 at ratings central.� they can leave her at no. 10 all they want--it just shows how much of a bulls**t system it really is.how could it be better??� is it better than the ittf at measuring performance in their own events?is it even a better measure of who is actually a better player?the answer to both questions is a resounding no!!i vaguely remember that they have that north korean in the top-20.� when does that north korean ever play internationally??� almost never.� probably cuz they're afraid if they let him out of country too often, he'll run away (like kreanga).you can't have a ratings/ranking system based on who's "better?"� the only way to tell if one player is "better" than another is to see their lifetime head-to-head and that, in most cases, is impossible.

Alrighty, it's plain to see that you're going to be a dick about this so I'll drop it. There is clearly no way to make you happy and it's either your way or stfu.

Ratings Central did not pick a tournament where Zhang Yining played.

http://www.ratingscentral.com/Player.php?PlayerID=23682

takaaki wrote: how could it be better??  is it better than the ittf at measuring performance in their own events? is it even a better measure of who is actually a better player? the answer to both questions is a resounding no!!

Jonan wrote: takaaki wrote: so f****** what??  like, who the f*** cares?? all you ratings central freaks claim that it's a better measure of how good somebody is.   well, anybody who does just a little thinking knows that that's just a load o' crap!!out of curiosity, i took a look at it the other day, they have boll at no. 2!!  now, that's a total joke!!  imho, boll shouldn't even be in the top 10!!and on the women's side, they have park at no. 10 and that's a another joke--though admittedly not as funny as boll at no. 2!  no non-chinese woman should be in the top-10!!if you base a ranking system on who is actually better, then no non-chinese man or woman should be in the top-10 at all!! woah woah woah, chill out. You are taking my using one of two rating sites way too seriously and personally. I agree with you on who should be up there, but they do it by points and Boll gets his points from playing Europeans so he looks better because he plays weaker people and doesn't lose randomly like the top Chinese when they play in the Chinese Super league, Asian Championships, etc. I know it's not really fair, but it's better than the ITTF in my opinion, which has Maze in the top 10 still... There is just one non Chinese man and one non Chinese woman in their top 10's, Boll and Mi Young Park who jumped way up after beating a few of the top 10 Chinese in a few pro tour events, she won't stay there though, don't you worry.

i could care less if they have park at no. 10 or no. 1 at ratings central.  they can leave her at no. 10 all they want--it just shows how much of a bulls**t system it really is.

how could it be better??  is it better than the ittf at measuring performance in their own events?

is it even a better measure of who is actually a better player?

the answer to both questions is a resounding no!!

i vaguely remember that they have that north korean in the top-20.  when does that north korean ever play internationally??  almost never.  probably cuz they're afraid if they let him out of country too often, he'll run away (like kreanga).

you can't have a ratings/ranking system based on who's "better?"  the only way to tell if one player is "better" than another is to see their lifetime head-to-head and that, in most cases, is impossible.

takaaki wrote: so f****** what??� like, who the f*** cares?? all you ratings central freaks claim that it's a better measure of how good somebody is.�� well, anybody who does just a little thinking knows that that's just a load o' crap!!out of curiosity, i took a look at it the other day, they have boll at no. 2!!� now, that's a total joke!!� imho, boll shouldn't even be in the top 10!!and on the women's side, they have park at no. 10 and that's a another joke--though admittedly not as funny as boll at no. 2!� no non-chinese woman should be in the top-10!!if you base a ranking system on who is actually better, then no non-chinese man or woman should be in the top-10 at all!!

woah woah woah, chill out. You are taking my using one of two rating sites way too seriously and personally.

I agree with you on who should be up there, but they do it by points and Boll gets his points from playing Europeans so he looks better because he plays weaker people and doesn't lose randomly like the top Chinese when they play in the Chinese Super league, Asian Championships, etc.
I know it's not really fair, but it's better than the ITTF in my opinion, which has Maze in the top 10 still... There is just one non Chinese man and one non Chinese woman in their top 10's, Boll and Mi Young Park who jumped way up after beating a few of the top 10 Chinese in a few pro tour events, she won't stay there though, don't you worry.

tpgh2k wrote: mudr.nudl wrote: zhang vs. ma is on depositfiles - you can find link here he means zhang jike vs. Ma LIN and not Ma LONG

that's right--thank you.

takaaki wrote: i also see samsonov making an announcement soon.  he's been around for a while now.  i first saw him a little over 10 yrs. ago at the '99 worlds.  he got upset by no. 14-ranked ma lin in the round-of-16, i believe.  he was no. 1 then. liu guoliang was no. 2 and i think kong linghui was no. 3.  so, y'see, the liu and kong are out now, so it's about time for vladi say goodbye, as well...

European players, especially of Samsonov's style, do not retire as early as physical players a-la Ryu or WLQ - look at Primorac, Persson, Saive. I think Vladi will play until he is around 39-40 years old, that's another 5-6 years.

Jonan wrote: takaaki wrote: he made have made the top 10 with this event.he took out 2 top-5 players, boll and wlq.  and he's currently 15th now, so i think he made enough points to get in to the top-10.zhang jike also had 2 upsets, ma lin and joo,  he may have made it to the top-10, as well, or maybe no. 11. They're 3rd and 4th on Rating Central...been in the top 10 for a while...

so f****** what??  like, who the f*** cares??

all you ratings central freaks claim that it's a better measure of how good somebody is.   well, anybody who does just a little thinking knows that that's just a load o' crap!!

out of curiosity, i took a look at it the other day, they have boll at no. 2!!  now, that's a total joke!!  imho, boll shouldn't even be in the top 10!!

and on the women's side, they have park at no. 10 and that's a another joke--though admittedly not as funny as boll at no. 2!  no non-chinese woman should be in the top-10!!

if you base a ranking system on who is actually better, then no non-chinese man or woman should be in the top-10 at all!!

All those videos are an YouTube as well.

WANG Liqin (CHN) vs. XU Xin (CHN)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49AYDG4Q
or
http://hotfile.com/dl/23953738/eb38549/XU_Xin_(CHN)_vs._WANG_Liqin_(CHN).flv.html
or
http://uploading.com/files/eea14dd4/XU%2BXin%2B%2528CHN%2529%2Bvs.%2BWANG%2BLiqin%2B%2528CHN%2529.flv


MA Long (CHN) vs. ZHANG Jike (CHN)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5ZHLVIZY
or
http://hotfile.com/dl/23953691/5e9ac78/MA_Long_(CHN)_vs._ZHANG_Jike_(CHN).flv.html
or
http://uploading.com/files/832b6144/MA%2BLong%2B%2528CHN%2529%2Bvs.%2BZHANG%2BJike%2B%2528CHN%2529.flv


MA Long (CHN) vs. XU Xin (CHN)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GV9T7665
or
http://hotfile.com/dl/23953643/992851b/MA_Long_(CHN)_vs._XU_Xin_(CHN).flv.html
or
http://uploading.com/files/522584c9/MA%2BLong%2B%2528CHN%2529%2Bvs.%2BXU%2BXin%2B%2528CHN%2529.flv

skip3119 wrote: Jim T: � Thanks for your�observation and prediction.� How do you like that lefty player,��Chen Qi.� He is a very�aggressive player.� Do you think he can make it to the top 5 some day? � skip

He's been super consistant throughout his career, how high he is ranked doesn't so much depend on how well he's doing, because he beats people lower than him, loses sometimes to the ones higher, it just depends on how good other people get. He's stayed in the top 10 for 6 years straight. He's just super consistent and is just 25, so he'll be up there for a few more years probably, he just never wins, always in the semi-finals, type of guy.

My prediction is this:

in the next 2-3 years we will see the old guard - WLQ and Ma Lin - either officially retiring or slipping in rankings below first five.

Boll and Samsonov also will exit first five (Vladi is already #6 and I do not see him re-entering the five in the nearest future). So the first five will be Ma Long, Wang Hao, Xu Xin, Zhang Jike and some else... perhaps another Chinese like Hao Shuai.

In 3-5 years possibly Mizutani or some other young Japanese (Matsudaira) or Korean guy will have a chance at the first ten (and staying  there for some reasonable time, I am not talking about one time deal like Maze, more like constant presence for some considerable time similar to Joo or Chuan), but 7 out of 10 there will still be from China.

The only European I see who can enter the top ten is Ovtcharov but he has to really improve for that. Timo could still be there - number 7 or 9 or smth like that - in 4-5 years that is, but Samsonov will be in the second ten with Timo joining him and they will stay there for a long time...

We'll see if I am right, of course but this seems like a rather safe prognosis.