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    Posted: 01/09/2010 at 11:45pm
What is the difference between these 2 blades beside the fact that the ALC is more money then the Spirit?
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Sheesh.  Go to http://www.tabletennisdb.com/ and get the information from their reviews. 



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Thanks Silverhair I went to your link and it gave me a whopping one review that was exactly what I needed! Thanks! :)
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Thread from page one of equipment forum: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31378

Or even better: http://www.mytabletennis.org/forum/search_form.asp?FID=0

To answer your question, they appear to be identical or nearly identical blades from what I have read.  You will read people claiming to the contrary, but you must remember that two samples of same blade often play differently, so it is not all that surprising or significant that some people are finding slight differences between their one TBS and one TB ALC.
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If you look at the blade chart at butterfly.co.jp those two blades are placed at the exact same spot when it comes to speed/feel.

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Only difference worth noting is price and having what Timo Boll uses now as opposed to the greater majority of his Career.
 
I think the most important difference will come from the weight you can order either of them if you are going to talk about speed.
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The FL handles are different as well, not drastically but noticeable.  Personally I prefer the Spirit, it just "feels" better, especially older ones before BTY started putting serial numbers on the face.
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boll series handle felt dam nice to me, especially the zlf - perfect in my hand.
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To clarify, I meant the ball feel of the blade, not the handle.
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ive heard many times on this forum that the alc feels slightly stiffer
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Originally posted by walleyeguy7 walleyeguy7 wrote:

ive heard many times on this forum that the alc feels slightly stiffer


I've heard that too. A salesperson at Paddle Palace said today that the difference between the two is that the TBS is 5-plies wood + 2-plies carbon-arylate; whereas, the ALC is 3-plies wood + 2-plies carbon-arylate, resulting in the ALC being stiffer and having a harder feel.

Makes sense to me, but I'm no expert.

 
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that doesnt really make sense as the more plys the stiffer something feels
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

that doesnt really make sense as the more plys the stiffer something feels


I don't know about that... One-plies are as stiff as they come.

Of course, I think it depends on the plies of the woods involved as well as the gluing process.


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no way in the world a 1 ply hinoki is as stiff as a 7 ply
 
sure all the glues make a difference but if you want talk about being able to break something to see how stiff it is, I would choose the 1 ply if I am doing those stupid kung fu videos
 
 
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

no way in the world a 1 ply hinoki is as stiff as a 7 ply
 
sure all the glues make a difference but if you want talk about being able to break something to see how stiff it is, I would choose the 1 ply if I am doing those stupid kung fu videos


I don't know how I can convince you, so I won't try. Well... maybe one time. Wink

If you really think a 7-ply blade is stiffer than a one-ply then I think we have different definitions of stiff.

Of course breaking a 7-ply is more difficult, primarily because plywood will flex more. Stiffness doesn't necessarily make something stronger. In fact, it makes it more brittle because it cannot give. Plywood can give more... up to a certain point, of course.

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the alc and the tbs are both 7 plies, same koto outer ply, even the exact same thickness of 5.7mm. so, i dont know why the alc would be stiffer. if the materials are identical, maybe the thicknesses of the plies are different.

the more plies you add to something the more stiff it will be. single ply cypress jpen blades are stiffer than a tbs because they are usually 9-11mm thick. the reason they split is because of the uniform grain, the plies glued together to make a multi-ply blade obviously ammend that.
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anton you never said how thick your 1 ply is an that is the biggest factor you have overlooked, and also which point something is stiff from.
 
If i hold the handle of a 1 ply all the grain running the same direction sure it is stiff, if hold the side of the blade I can prob feel more vibrations and more give.
 
I am talking overall stiffness and sweetspot and If i remember correctly, the last poster is correct the plies are the same.
 
Butterfly most prob makes huge sheets of the 2 woods with alc fibre in the middle, and just slaps more kiri or whatever in the middle and cuts the shapes.
 
really who cares, they are the same bloody blade, save your money buy the cheapest one!
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

really who cares, they are the same bloody blade, save your money buy the cheapest one!

I think this is true statement. The difference people feel is just individual copy variations. The ALC I tried felt about the same speed as the TBS I use. Any difference in speed I would attribute more to rubbers being more beaten up on one of them.
Plies look identical to me, so the difference is in the handle.
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Originally posted by 7plywood 7plywood wrote:

The difference people feel is just individual copy variations... Plies look identical to me, so the difference is in the handle.


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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

A salesperson at Paddle Palace said today that the difference between the two is that the TBS is 5-plies wood + 2-plies carbon-arylate; whereas, the ALC is 3-plies wood + 2-plies carbon-arylate


PP lied to you. The plies are identical.

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I don't know much about 1 plies, but generally speaking, in plywood blades the more plies, the stiffer a blade is. For example, its easy to assume most "5-ply" wood blades are going to be more flexible than "7-ply" blades. And the Yasaka Leo Hinoki 9 is stiffer than the Leo Hinoki 7.

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