Did Joo See Hyuk switched to anti?

Hi there everyone,

You will find here below a link leading you to a game played between Joo and Timo Boll at the senior world cup 2010.

http://cdn.laola1.tv/ittf/iframe/player.html?pfad=CHANNEL1-Seniors/vw_cup_2010/100329_JOO_Se_Hyuk_KOR_vs_BOLL_Timo_GER3

This video is quite intereting as it shows that Joo might have changed the rubber on his backhand.

If you look closely at 6minutes 20, you can see that the black rubber on his backhand is shinny as would an anti be.

Do you have any info regarding this??

Regards from France,
Gian

I cannot confirm this, but Timo was REALLY frustrated in the match last night!

I believe that 99% he will never ever ever switch to anti. Anti simply can never be as good as long pips when it comes to defend, as especially at this level, what they need is not spin reversal only but spin variation, that's what long pips can do and anti can't so yes, I dont think Joo switched. Just that it's very hard to see the pips.

it must be pips because the brand label and topsheet are not the same colour black , this is only the case with pips.

I bet if you are there, and they are filming you with a black sheet of LP on BH, it would look the same. Just because the light on the pips and as you know the pips on TSP Curl P1-R are very closely placed together.

Come on people, listeeen. Just turn up the volume and you know he's still using long pips. Anti doesn't go THOCK while chopping hard loops.

Plus his style and play hasn't changed at all, if he made such a drastic move from long pips to anti, something would have changed, but his chops are same as ever.

Even the announcers are talking about Joo and his LP's.  hehehe I like that video.  I can understand everything their talking about 

Leatherback wrote: its not a anti.....its long pips....and its not the regular TSP P1-R he used to use....its GRASS D.Tecs....1.2mm sponge...it has a shiny surface which would make it appear as anti.� does not have the same layout of pips by joos finger as TSP...and it is rumoured that he switched to d.tecs....and this confirms it

I dunno...those to long pips are very opposite. There is very little deception to P1-R, I used it for a while, very little reversal, and grass is the nastiest most disturbing long pip out there...

Leatherback wrote: i am kinda guessing here, its not exactly like hes my best friend.....but its DEFINITELY NOT p1-r......and park mi young of korea....joos team mate switched to grass d'tecs.� and grass d tecs with spong plays like a fast P1-r.� OOAK forum...a post about an interview with kim taek soo....he said that joo was using a new tibhar pip......and it kinda all adds up that he is using d.tecs

huh, well I guess Joo could do his thing with just about anything, but who knows, he could change it tomorrow to something else, he's always switching his long pips, feint long, p1, now grass maybe, I guess long pips users can mess about more than other players.

Anyway, do you guys think his game has changed assuming he changed the rubber? I mean long pips rubbers dont have the same properties, I dont have any understanding about the tibhar grass dtecs but the amount of spin generated and spin variation would be different right? It seems like he's not as consistent now as before? Or the chops are not as dangerous...

TBS9x wrote: Anyway, do you guys think his game has changed assuming he changed the rubber? I mean long pips rubbers dont have the same properties, I dont have any understanding about the tibhar grass dtecs but the amount of spin generated and spin variation would be different right? It seems like he's not as consistent now as before? Or the chops are not as dangerous...

I dunno, as was mentioned before, he sure frustrated the heck out of Boll, which is new. But the spin reversal effect would likely have a lot to do with any suggested or perceived inconsistencies.

Speedplay wrote: Jonan wrote: Leatherback wrote: its not a anti.....its long pips....and its not the regular TSP P1-R he used to use....its GRASS D.Tecs....1.2mm sponge...it has a shiny surface which would make it appear as anti.  does not have the same layout of pips by joos finger as TSP...and it is rumoured that he switched to d.tecs....and this confirms it I dunno...those to long pips are very opposite. There is very little deception to P1-R, I used it for a while, very little reversal, and grass is the nastiest most disturbing long pip out there... This is wrong in so many ways so I don't know where to begin explaining why it is wrong. P1-R is one of the most deceptive LP out ther, perhaps even the most deceptive LP there is. Deception isn't something you get for free when you buy a rubber, especially not at the level Joo plays at. Deception is something you create by manipulating the spin, which is easily done with P1-R, since it is very capable of creating spin. I haven't used DTech's, so I don't know anything about this, but if Joo uses it, he is probably using it with a rather thick sponge to create his own deception rather then trusting the rubber to do it for him.

Agree that P1-R is deceptive, perhaps because it's one of the softest and grippiest LP out there therefore easier to give more spin variation if in the hand of a pro. Im not sure about being the most deceptive of all kinds because I havent tried many LPs so I can't make a conclusion there. Even though, according to TSP than Curl P1-R is the most deceptive in the Curl series. But isn't deception is also about the formation of the pips, how long is the pips, tightly placed or widely placed on the surface? Also if it's rough tips, grippy sides and all those stuffs, I really don't know about that. But anyhow, the D.tech has a german tension sponge doesn't it? So maybe he won't need a 1.5 mm or 1.7mm sponge or something like he used to use, 1.2mm is enough?

Jonan wrote: Speedplay wrote: Jonan wrote: Leatherback wrote: its not a anti.....its long pips....and its not the regular TSP P1-R he used to use....its GRASS D.Tecs....1.2mm sponge...it has a shiny surface which would make it appear as anti.� does not have the same layout of pips by joos finger as TSP...and it is rumoured that he switched to d.tecs....and this confirms it I dunno...those to long pips are very opposite. There is very little deception to P1-R, I used it for a while, very little reversal, and grass is the nastiest most disturbing long pip out there... This is wrong in so many ways so I don't know where to begin explaining why it is wrong. P1-R is one of the most deceptive LP out ther, perhaps even the most deceptive LP there is. Deception isn't something you get for free when you buy a rubber, especially not at the level Joo plays at. Deception is something you create by manipulating the spin, which is easily done with P1-R, since it is very capable of creating spin. I haven't used DTech's, so I don't know anything about this, but if Joo uses it, he is probably using it with a rather thick sponge to create his own deception rather then trusting the rubber to do it for him. It has deception based on spin manipulation. Grass has deception more based on knuckle effect and spin reversal in thin sponge especially. I know a lot of people use ox or thin sponge grass d tech for long pip hitting or blocking because of how nasty it is, for a chopping game though with a thick sponge, I imagine there wouldn't be as much of a difference. I'd say that curl isn't as good at producing junk ball type shots like grass in more passive situations. When I think of deception I think of junk balls and knuckle spin reversal type stuff, not as much hiding how much spin you are putting on the ball.

Ah, I see, then we agree, what you call deception is what I would call disruptive effects. As from what I have gathered, Dtechs is currently the most popular rubber for those still looking for a replacement rubber for the banned frictionless rubbers. I wonder if it is really worse to play against then Bomb Talent, cause that rubber had some really weird things going on.

Anyway, just a little off-topic. Do you guys think if ITTF let people to play frictionless again ( which they possibly don't ), pros like Joo will use those frictionless or is it only those who blocks close to the table?