TB ALC or TB ZLC

Hi table tennis players, how are you?

I currently play with the following combination: YEO + FH T05 + BH BSpeed

I have to admit that bryce speed was a stubbornness purchase, because I do not like rubbers with low angle, but wanted to see the speed that everyone talks, really bryce speed is VERY fast, but low angle and low spin I don't like.

I never played with a carbon blade,so I will buy one to test, I'm doubt between TB ALC and TB ZLC;

I really like the catapult effect and the high angle that tenergy produces, I like to look at opponent side of table to see the parabola effect, independently of my choice I will use T05 on both sides.

so, which is the differences between YEO - ALC and YEO - ZLC

Between ZLC and ALC, which is better for:

- Catapult effect
- High Angle
- Great feeling
- Great speed and spin
- Good control

I wouldn't go with zlc. it is very rigid blade and lacks feeling and worse control than alc. People say the limited edition is better.

Get the tb alc. if the tb alc is good it is better blade for tenergy than tbs.

which is more bounce? for a better catapult effect, zlc or alc?

LOOPMEISTER wrote: Kaoendry wrote: which is more bounce? for a better catapult effect, zlc or alc? zlc

+1

I personally prefer the zlc over the alc, because I like the response I get more than the one of the alc. I only played with the zlc for about four hours and it was some time ago, but I prefer the Mizutani; even better feedback and even more catapult.
However, my advice would be to get the alc, because it seems that overall more people like the feeling of arylate/carbon (including the pros). You can't really go wrong, no matter which one you pick.

comparing ALC with a YEO, which will be more easier to do with ALC and what will be harder to do that before I could do more easily with YEO?

yeah lobbed that is why Timo Boll uses it.

of course, i do not agree at all.

by reading the precise tb alc review above, timo boll must be playing with a mizutani with the handle of a tb alc. Otherwise there is no explanation timo boll using tb alc.

High_Arc wrote: LOOPMEISTER wrote: Kaoendry wrote: which is more bounce? for a better catapult effect, zlc or alc? zlc +1 I personally prefer the zlc over the alc, because I like the response I get more than the one of the alc. I only played with the zlc for about four hours and it was some time ago, but I prefer the Mizutani; even better feedback and even more catapult. However, my advice would be to get the alc, because it seems that overall more people like the feeling of arylate/carbon (including the pros). You can't really go wrong, no matter which one you pick.

Kaoendry wrote: Between ZLC and ALC, which is better for: - Catapult effect - High Angle - Great feeling - Great speed and spin - Good control

There seems to be some confusion about these questions, so please let me increase the confusion by adding my opinion (and some more thoughts abouts the Mizutani).

- Catapult effect:
The ZLC (and the Mizutani) have notably more of a catapult effect than the ALC.
This is particularly good when you play at half distance. People speak of a blade having gears. In the short game, you can either like it or not, in general it will be more difficult to play a consistent short game when your setup has more catapult, although I've heard different opinions. (Especially the Mizutani has also low gears and perhaps increases serve/return consistency.)

High angle:
The ALC has a higher throw angle the the ZLC (and Mizutani).

Great feeling:
The answer to this question depends on you. The ZLC (and the Mizutani) are more flexible than the ALC and transmit more vibrations. You get a stronger response of the ball impact on the ZLC (and Mizutani). The ALC is a tiny bit softer than the ZLC (and Mizutani), but the ZLC (and the Mizutani) has a bit more dwell time. Whether you like this or not depends on you. 

Great speed and spin:
The ALC is medium fast in all situations, the ZLC (and the Mizutani) also have a top end gear, meaning overall more speed when you hit hard.
I would say it is easier to put a lot of topspin on opening loops with the ALC, because it is more stable and has less catapult, whereas during rallies you can generate more spin with the ZLC (and Mizutani) due to a higher dwell time and more catapult.

Good control:
In general for sure the ALC, because there is no catapult effect kicking in and the blade is more stable (less flexible). So it behaves more linear and in that sense more predictable. However, the personal impression of the feeling of a blade adds significantly to the control, so no final answer here.

I hope this helps!

ejmaster wrote: yeah lobbed that is why Timo Boll uses it. of course, i do not agree at all.

maybe he uses it because he doesn't want a whole bunch of catapult? oh, and that TBS thing that he used for the majority of his career, guess what, also doesn't have much catapult.

Kaoendry wrote: thank you guys, you are helping me a lot, I saw that most prefer Mizutani than the ZLC, Mizutani is more better blade than ZLC?by what I read the person takes the ZLC by the factor catapult,since Mizutani has more catapult, makes no sense to get the ZLC right? it's funny, I'm a big fan of Timo Boll, and seeing him play, especially in the european champonship 2009 (my favorite champonship), gives the impression that he uses much the catapult effect. < ="application/x-shockwave-flash" ="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/_p.swf" id="tts_flash" width="18" height="18">< value="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/_p.swf" name="movie">< value="_name=&_name_cb=_TTS" name="flashvars">< value="transparent" name="wmode">< value="always" name="allowAccess"> how is the trajectory of the ball after hitting the tb alc? flat or parable? again, because when I see Timo's playing give me the impression that after the bounce of the ball on the table, it gains speed, unless the Timo use a blade with a differently handle, which combines not so much from him, I think this little probably. I'm still in doubt on which one to choose, is a good choice replace the feeling and control of ALC for the parable effect of ZLC/Mizutani?

don't judge timo's shots by his blade.

its not a problem, just wanted to make sure you weren't going to buy something for the wrong reason 

if you want to loop and play as timo get the tb alc. very good blade to loop and with easier catapult.

As a rule I would say:

If you are more of a close to the table player, it is safer to pick the ALC.

If you play more from half-distance and excel in rallies, buy the Mizutani.

Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, but I would guess that this holds for most players which want to buy one of these two wonderful blades.