Tenergy 05 vs XIOM

asifgunz wrote: Im saying tenergy isnt necessary below 2200 . You have failed to include your intermediate ej's ratings. Lol .

Trust me I know I'm rated higher then you 😖

asifgunz wrote: Im saying tenergy isnt necessary below 2200 . You have failed to include your intermediate ej's ratings. Lol .

SmackDAT wrote: asifgunz wrote: Im saying tenergy isnt necessary below 2200 . You have failed to include your intermediate ej's ratings. Lol . We don't have ratings in the UK,.......

Technically we do but it's not administered or matters as much as USA ratings to USA players.
Main differences are;
Players attitude - players here regard ranking and actual performance as more important. That is, who have you beaten in a tournament? What tournaments have you won and when? What was your ranking as a junior? What is your ranking now, top 200, top 100 etc?
Grand Prix tournaments are banded compared to USA where they have under 2000 etc.
Separation between juniors and seniors - In UK your junior ranking points mean nothing to senior ranking points.
Veterans are almost separate again - They (we) have our own association, tournaments and ranking systems. They (we) can play every week for years and not have to compete against any pesky kids.
Also, we refer to Seniors as players who are older than juniors but younger than veterans (>40).
Lastly, our ranking/ratings list are current, in that, it only lists players that have played a ranking tournament in the previous year or so.

asifgunz wrote: Lol chopper you seemed to take this discussion very personal. I never stated that my rating is above yours. We are talking about tenergy, not about you and I. And for the last time, when a rubber lets you half ass your stroke, 6 month old players will half ass their stroke.

6 month old players must be extremely precocious toddlers to play table tennis don't you think?

That said, bad players have bad technique, and more because of no coaching than equipment.

Edited by NextLevel - 05/01/2015 at 3:52pm

GeneralSpecific wrote: Just a heads up. Omega 5 Asia is NOT low throw. Anyone that thinks it's low throw has not tried Sigma 2. Omega 5 Asia has a medium throw angle, one might argue medium-high while Tenergy 05 has a very high throw angle.

iakovka wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: Just a heads up. Omega 5 Asia is NOT low throw. Anyone that thinks it's low throw has not tried Sigma 2. Omega 5 Asia has a medium throw angle, one might argue medium-high while Tenergy 05 has a very high throw angle. Hi GeneralSpecific, maybe we cant take it to a different thread but your review  for Omega 5 Asia will be much appreciated. I will be very interested in comparison to other Omegas (Pro or Tour).  Throw angle for example: I would say Tour throw is Medium+  and I would really love Asia to be Medium++ :)

Hey Iakovka, I'm sorry but Omega 5 Asia is my very first Omega rubber. I've owned or tried many different Xiom rubbers (Vega Pro, Vega Europe, Vega China, Sigma 1 Pro, Sigma 2 Pro, Sigma 2 Europe, Tau, Musa) but I've never played with any other Omega rubber. However, here is a brief review of my opinion on the rubber:

Excellent rubber. Hard sponge, same as Sigma 2 pro sponge (maybe also Omega 5 pro/tour sponge?). Extremely high grip and elastic topsheet. Medium-high to maybe high throw angle relatively and great at lifting heavy backspin. Capable of producing heavy topspin and sidespin on loops. A very crisp feeling to it. Excellent quality and arc on counterloops. Great for topspin drives. Not the best for flat hits (like Sigma 2 is). Capable of producing heavy spin on serves but can be a little springy. This means that when serving you really need to focus and be precise. If you focus and are precise on your serves then it's an excellent serving rubber. Everything I said above means it's also very sensitive to topspin so you really need to close the angle a lot. At the time of this writing the only thing that will make me change from this is if they make an Omega 6 Asia. This rubber fits my forehand perfectly.

Any other questions please ask and I will be happy to expand or compare to any of the aforementioned rubbers that I've tried.

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Baal wrote: Vega Pro compared to Tenergy 05 feels completely lifeless.  It will give you a sense of control but the throw angle is pretty low in comparison and you have will have to change your technique.  People in my club who tried it (2000-2300 T05 users and aficionados of Chinese sponges) did not like it.   It offers no advantages at all in short game as a compensation.  I have no doubt that some people will like it, but it is not a substitute for T05.  Curious, what do people in your club say about Xiom Sigma Pro 2 ?

i have used one sheet of sigma 2 pro for two years. Its durable . Fast. Faster than my 1.5 ish year old omega iv pro. Imo its also harder than omega. But i believe their sponge rating is about the same.

Throw imo is lower. I was flicking with it even after two years. Still gave superb results.


@the people comparing vega pro to tenergy anything really. Vega japan comes closest. Some people started using it instead of tenergy because of price. Btw vega japan plays nothing like rest of vega. Xioms representative spoke about it few years back. Its here somewhere in the forum. If I was to paraphrase , it would be something like we put vega japan out to give a much higher quality rubber at a lower price. Plan was to release it under a different line.
Imo i think it would have been omega iv japan lol. That 45 deg sponge would never come with sigma.

I have used two sheets of omega iv pro and one sigma2pro in 4 years. Bout to receive vega japan and omega v pro today. lets see how they par up to my go to xiom rubber omega iv pro.

Kolev wrote: GeneralSpecific, thanks for the review. I would like to ask how do you rate this rubber speed wise, compared to lets say, Sigma 1/2 Pro, Sigma 2 Euro(my favorite).....also your opinion which one of those you've tried would be the closest to T64? Thanks

The Sigma 2 rubbers are faster than Omega rubbers in terms of raw speed much in the same way Tenergy 64 is faster Tenergy 05. Sigma 2 is better at flatter hits, blocking, and smash against lob. Sigma 2 Euro is definitely the closest rubber to Tenergy 64. If I were using inverted rubber on my backhand instead of short pips it would definitely be Sigma 2 Euro.

ahsq wrote: GS, have you used T05? can u compare it with OVa?

I've tried 05 several times on other friend's rackets. They both share some similarities and differences. They are both sensitive to incoming topspin and sidespin requiring a more closed angle and good timing. They both have similar spin on all types of loops. They also both have a very high grip topsheet but I honestly prefer the topsheet of OVA.  OVA has a medium to highish throw angle like I've been saying but 05 still has a noticeably higher throw angle. OVA has a harder sponge and definitely feels much harder over all. The hardness definitely makes it feel very different from any Tenergy and is something I prefer. To me at least, OVA has an extra gear for speed at the very top. By that I mean that on those really REALLY strong, sponge penetrating shots the harder sponge really helps to give it more speed than 05 but other than on those very rare occasions the speed is very similar. One of the main reasons I choose not to use 05 for my forehand is that it feels a bit too soft for my liking. I wish Butterfly made a Tenergy "HD" with a harder spring sponge. I know they've made the sponge already as seen with Spin Art but I don't like Spin Art's topsheet and lower throw angle. I personally don't see any advantage in using 05 for my game. The two rubbers have a different feel and some people may prefer 05 for it's own feeling while others may prefer OVA for it's own feeling. Granted, I'm very far from being a professional but so are at least 99 percent of people giving reviews of equipment. For now and for quite a long time, OVA will be my forehand rubber. If Xiom makes an Omega 6 Asia I will probably switch to that. If Butterfly makes a Tenergy 05 "HD" like I described I would definitely give that a try. Save for those very specific instances I feel no reason to use anything else.

I dunno, of all the Xiom rubbers I've tried, regular Xiom Vega Pro was best. Baal I'm actually really surprised to hear that. I remember when it came out, William Henzell was talking about the qualities it offered at the higher levels. The grain of salt being that Almost all Xiom rubbers i've tried have been in 2.0 and not max. 

Edited by beeray1 - 05/06/2015 at 9:44pm

@GS, thanks