First Review: Butterfly Spin Art

Just out of curiosity, has anyone who was using speed-glued BTY Tackifire series (Tackifire Drive, Tackifire-C, Tackifire Special Soft) switched to SpinArt? If so, please share your impressions.  Thanks.

charlesj wrote: It is not as easy to generate good spin with Spin Art as compared to Tackiness Drive. If BTY can increase the tackiness level and grip for the topsheet, it would be better.

I disagree, the spin with spinart is beautiful (T05 or higher?), but understanding this rubber to be consistent with it is so hard for me.

BeaverMD wrote: Just out of curiosity, has anyone who was using speed-glued BTY Tackifire series (Tackifire Drive, Tackifire-C, Tackifire Special Soft) switched to SpinArt? If so, please share your impressions.  Thanks.

I have used BTY Tackfire Sp Soft extensively, and Spinart does remind me of Tackifire Sp Soft. Very similar feeling. The topsheet formula is probably the same, maybe updated a little bit with Spinart. I've always liked the Tackifire Sp Soft topsheet. Spin Art is def slower than freshly speed glued Tackifire Sp Soft. (On most types of shots.) But when the speed glue wears off after a day, Spinart is definitely faster. So its like a med-glued tackifire Sp Soft. But Tackifire Sp Soft also has a softer feeling than Spinart, so I'm not saying they feel identical....

For me Spinart is too heavy. Also based on my technique it feels hard and dead... Sluggish. I understand it takes a different kind of stroke to hit the ball with spin art compared to Tenergy 05, for example. But the extra weight makes my setup feel cumbersome, so its more than just adjusting my stroke. You have to adjust your stroke to Spinart's physics, but you also have to adjust to the extra weight. A double negative in my opinion. And I think even a BTY MJ is too soft for spin art. You probably need a blade with faster rebound, like Clipper CR, etc. (I said faster rebound, not faster blade... MJ is a fast blade, but it has a slow, dwelly initial rebound compared to other fast wood and carbon blades.)

I think Spinart is much different than H3 NEO, BWII, and Globe 999 National. Those have lower throw and are faster. But my opinion of these comparisons is based alot on memory, so I might be way off.

I think people have been getting lucky with light versions of Spinart. Mine was noticeably heavier than any T05 I've ever owned.

Spinart is definitely a niche rubber. Takes just the right person and just the right setup to feel good. Fells like peanut butter to me.

There's some similarity between the two, but they are still different. However, Spinart is closer to fresh glued tackifire sp soft than it is to H3 NEO or BWII.

High_Arc wrote: Short update: Advantages of Spin Art compared to T05: For me, the Spin Art excels for serves, returns and first attacks, and whenever you try to create maximum spin. The control in the passive play is very impressive. Notice that serve, return and first attack are just about the most important things in table tennis against most players.

Isn't this what T25 is supposed to be for also?  I'm interested in Spin Art now, because I just ordered a sheet of T25 from Dandoy to possibly replace T05 on my FH.  Do you have experience with T25 and can you explain the differences compared to Spin Art?  Thanks!

Thanks for your feedback, Anton.  It seems that T25 might be better suited to my game than Spin Art.

I don't mind a hard sponge at all - anyone remember the 2nd (I think) gen tensor Andro Revolution COR?  That was hard (48 deg), super fast and super spinny.

Yes, I am familiar with that 

Revolution COR is still hard, though.

Been using it for the last 2-3 weeks now, after taking it off the Stiga Clipper CR and putting it on my Stiga V1 WRB carbon.

Plays alot better, strokes are lot better, loaded with spin, beginning to prefer the spin art over t25 as dwell time is slightly higher on spin art.

Didn't have any trouble blocking or smashing with spin art either.

Skyline wrote: KCREDT wrote: Been using it for the last 2-3 weeks now, after taking it off the Stiga Clipper CR and putting it on my Stiga V1 WRB carbon. Plays alot better, strokes are lot better, loaded with spin, beginning to prefer the spin art over t25 as dwell time is slightly higher on spin art. Didn't have any trouble blocking or smashing with spin art either.   does spin art have the same solid feel and ability on smashes and blocks as tenergy 25? I currently use T25, but I'm considering Spin Art if it's really slower and easier to control. Is the topsheet of Spin Art more or less sensitive  to spin than the topsheet of Tenergy 25?

I would say it has a solid feel on smashes and blocks, thanks to the spring sponge. Imho what makes spin art work for me is the fact that it has the same sponge as T25.

Topsheet I would say is less responsive to spin than T25, I found "touch" shots in the mid game easier to perform.

LOOPMEISTER wrote: KCREDT wrote: Imho what makes spin art work for me is the fact that it has the same sponge as T25. Spinart has a different sponge than T25. Both sponges are in the "Spring Sponge" family, but the Spinart sponge is harder. That means its different.

So there's a "family" of spring sponges? Confirmed by whom? To me they are both the same and feel the same. What is clearly different is the topsheets.

KCREDT wrote: So there's a "family" of spring sponges? Confirmed by whom? To me they are both the same and feel the same. What is clearly different is the topsheets.

It says Spring Sponge on the package and its red and porous... So its obviously a Spring Sponge. And when you look on the Butterfly website you will see that the sponge hardness is 48. That's for the sponge not the whole rubber. T25 (and T05 and T64) are listed at 36. Tenergy-FX will be 32. So you see there is a "family" of Spring Sponges that have different degrees of hardness, spread across rubbers with different topsheets.

benfb wrote: According to Butterfly's materials, T05, T25, and T64 all have the same sponge and their tops sheets are all made with the same rubber, but with different pip sizes.  Spin Art must clearly have a different sponge to be harder, but I wonder if it has a truly different rubber for the top sheet or just yet a different organization/size of pips?

Spinart has a totally different rubber topsheet formula than the Tenergys. Tenergy topsheet is course/grainy and slightly grippy. It crumbles a little bit when you cut it or hit the table. Spinart doesn't have the course/grainy topsheet. Its smooth and tacky (BTY tacky).

Anton Chigurh wrote: [QUOTE=dansari] [QUOTE=High_Arc] Spin Art is, for me, a bit easier to control than T25, but I like the feel of T25 better. Ultimately, although it's not the exact same, Spin Art compares better to Chinese rubbers than to Tenergy, IMO. To me, it's like a slightly faster Neo H3 with better feel.

I wish Spin Art is as soft as H3 neo 39 degree!

Im thinking of getting a SPIN ART for my forehand. I really like T05 but then I switched to Haifu BW III 38� tuned and also liked it. I like T05 more but stayed with BW III for months coz I just wanna be the one using a different rubber.. so many uses tenergy

I use a custom allwood blade (HK 655 structure)

Anyway, Will I love SPIN ART? How hard is it compared to BW II/III 38� tuned or Globe 999 Nat 38�?

My strengths are Service, Opening Loop, Counterlooping at mid to long distance.. I also Lob balls @ long distance. In close table I only do passive blocks in the Forehand, Passive/Push block on the backhand.

thanks in advance..

Wyatt you will love spin art and it does not feel as hard as the readings make it sound. Just buy it! If you don't like it can you sell it.

I bought a sheet and sold it after a week or two. Sure I lost some money, but for me it was worth it.